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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2005, 11:35:33 AM »
SWM- I actually think the DUIís helped me not hurt me, since there were 10 years ago. I wrote an addendum, took full responsibility for my stupidity, and then discussed how that was a turning point in my life and all that stuff. As a side note, the Judge who handles all the ethics cases for lawyers getting disbarred here spoke at my orientation. He is also past president of the ethics committee. He was nice enough to meet with me a few weeks ago for lunch and talk about how my DUIís might affect my bar admission. The short of it is, it wonít. Keep my nose clean, donít dink/drive anymore, and it should not be a problem, FYI.

Arhodg- if you start to get a rash of rejections for your reaches, you can always contact a school and ask to be considered for their PT program as well, or just have them move your app to PT exclusively (Personally I think apply to either/or is not as good an option as just PT, as they may hold you app trying to see how both classes fill out, then not have anyplace for you).

By the way, my experience last year was the same as the year before; I really did not start to hear ANYTHING from most of my schools until late March, April and into May. And all of my apps where complete by Thanksgiving both years.

Anyway, I just finished my last exam, Contracts, so the first semester of the JD program is over for me. If anybody has any questions about law school in general, shoot away and Iíll try to answer them if I can.


So is law school what you thought it was going to be?  How is the workload?  Are you still glad that you are doing it?

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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2005, 11:46:14 AM »
Matthies - thanks for the straight dope on the DUI scene. :)

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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2005, 03:09:48 PM »
Hey Arhdog!

Congrats on the Albany reception... I'm a little hurt that I wasn't invited :(. I like that school a lot... their health law program is especially appealing to me. I haven't been up there to visit yet, but I plan on going soon. Will you be attending in the fall? 

Well, from what I saw the reception was for applicants, not admitted students, so my hopes aren't up just yet (though of course I really hope it's a positive sign).  If anyone has hear otherwise though, that would be great to hear.

Also, I' not sure how many areas they're doing them in.  Are you in the DC area?


Arhodg- if you start to get a rash of rejections for your reaches, you can always contact a school and ask to be considered for their PT program as well, or just have them move your app to PT exclusively (Personally I think apply to either/or is not as good an option as just PT, as they may hold you app trying to see how both classes fill out, then not have anyplace for you).


Matthies- THANK YOU for the incredibly helpful brief synopsis of LS.  I'm sure a lot of readers appreciate it.

As far as FT/PT goes, this may be a dumb question, but can I switch my status after a rejection or do I have to do it before?  Will some schools automatically consider you for PT if you're rejected FT? 
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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2005, 03:18:36 PM »
arhdog, I think it depends on the school. At SMU, for instance, one may apply to both PT and FT at the same time. At Houston, one may apply only to one or the other, but I've heard of them giving those who aren't admitted FT an option to go PT. Check with the schools you're interested in and see how they do things.

Matthies is right, though -- PT can help your chances. Look at the ABA data on lsac.org for your prospective schools -- there's usually a few points' difference in the 25-75 LSAT scores between PT and FT.
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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2005, 03:31:29 PM »
Thanks kruddler.  I'm going to work on pulling something together after this final, then call tomorrow.  Matthies, your input would still be very much appreciated.  :)
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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2005, 11:07:58 PM »
SWM- I actually think the DUIís helped me not hurt me, since there were 10 years ago. I wrote an addendum, took full responsibility for my stupidity, and then discussed how that was a turning point in my life and all that stuff. As a side note, the Judge who handles all the ethics cases for lawyers getting disbarred here spoke at my orientation. He is also past president of the ethics committee. He was nice enough to meet with me a few weeks ago for lunch and talk about how my DUIís might affect my bar admission. The short of it is, it wonít. Keep my nose clean, donít dink/drive anymore, and it should not be a problem, FYI.

Arhodg- if you start to get a rash of rejections for your reaches, you can always contact a school and ask to be considered for their PT program as well, or just have them move your app to PT exclusively (Personally I think apply to either/or is not as good an option as just PT, as they may hold you app trying to see how both classes fill out, then not have anyplace for you).

By the way, my experience last year was the same as the year before; I really did not start to hear ANYTHING from most of my schools until late March, April and into May. And all of my apps where complete by Thanksgiving both years.

Anyway, I just finished my last exam, Contracts, so the first semester of the JD program is over for me. If anybody has any questions about law school in general, shoot away and Iíll try to answer them if I can.


So is law school what you thought it was going to be?  How is the workload?  Are you still glad that you are doing it?

Law school is both easier and harder than I expected. Itís easier in that the law is really not all that complicated its pretty common sense stuff. Granted, there are demanding rules out there, UCC 2-207 comes to mind, as does perpetuities and NEPA issues, but they are few and far between, for the most part the law part is pretty simple. The harder part is adjusting to teaching it to yourself. They donít teach you the law in law school, you need to learn to do that for yourself, and quickly. The professor is not going to stand up there and say this is the rule, here is how it works, here is why itís important, thatís not going to happen. By the way, neither are your text books, they donít really teach you anything, you need to adjust to learning things in context, pulling a general meaning out of a specific case, and being able to apply it to a completely different fact pattern that seems like its in no way related what you learned. There is a huge learning curve, in just learning how to learn the law. Itís hard to explain, but somewhere during your first semester it just ďclicksĒ and you get it. Hopefully before exam week. :)

Youíre also surrounded by very smart, dedicated people. There are few slackers, your taking classes with people, like you, who are used to getting the top grades. That makes doing well, really well, really difficult. To achieve top grades LS really needs to be your life. In two years I have not seen a movie, taken a vacation or had more than a weekend off, and Iím part-time and not working. To be honest I should have worked HARDER than I did, I have a feeling, after exams, that at BEST Iím going to end up with straight B+ís this semester.

The workload is intense, but not all consuming. Plan to read 15-50 pages per class per day you have class. Then plan to brief 1-3 cases out of that reading. Staying up on your outlines and doing outside reading so you really get this stuff adds about 8-12 hours a week. Your LP class will be a HUGE time sink for few credits, but is important stuff. Youíll end up spending too much time on stuff that does not matter in the end, and too little on what really does, until, someday (again hopefully before exam week) you realize that all along you should have been working for the end, the exam, and not doing so much busy work preparing for class so you donít look stupid when that really does not matter for squat. ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE EXAM! Scream that out loud 50 times, I wish I had kept that in my mind more than I did.  At first it will seem a bit overwhelming, but you get better with experience and time, and you learn what shortcuts you can take. Because Iím dyslexic I read and write slower than most, so it takes me longer. To meet the curve, at my school a B/B-, itís doable and you can still have a normal life. To end up top 5-10% or so takes a Herculean effort, or just being really frikin smart, which Iím not.

Would I do it all over again? Ask me after grades are posted :). You do really need to WANT to do this to stay motivated in the face of the work load and self induced stress. My last exam was yesterday, and today I got up at 7AM like I usually do, but I have nothing to do! I feel like I should be studying, something, anything, but there is nothing to do. LS becomes, if you let it, all consuming, and when its over, itís like a drug, you want more.

I do envy my friend who went to Pharmacy school, not near the work load, they donít try to fail you out, and heís picking between 10 offers, with starting bonuses of $10-50k, a six figure salary and a 40 hour a week job. Plus all the drugs you want! :) But then I sucked at math and science, so all thatís left is law school for me.



180 information...thanks.  I have been accepted to a few full time programs already, but my wife and I are moving (probably) to Oklahoma soon, so I am waiting to hear from two of the schools there.  I have been considering switching to PT though, in the attempts that I might get to see my family once in a while. 

Thanks again for the insight, and good luck with those grades.

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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2005, 12:24:45 AM »
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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2005, 12:44:33 AM »
I'm getting together that list of schools to move to PT from FT...  for those of you using PT as an option to getting into the more competitive schools, what do you think is a good cut off?  That is, at what percentage chance of getting in do you generally cut off and move to FT?  I was thinking maybe those schools at which I have over a 25% chance would stay FT.  Not sure about my alma mater...  :-\

Any thoughts?   
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Re: Tier 3 and 4 Aceptances and Rejections
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2005, 01:28:12 PM »
I'm in at PACE! I got accepted into their enviro law program! I'm at work right now and I need to go home! How can I sit in this chair till 5!

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« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2005, 01:29:38 PM »
I'm getting together that list of schools to move to PT from FT...  for those of you using PT as an option to getting into the more competitive schools, what do you think is a good cut off?  That is, at what percentage chance of getting in do you generally cut off and move to FT?  I was thinking maybe those schools at which I have over a 25% chance would stay FT.  Not sure about my alma mater...  :-\

Any thoughts?   

I applied pt to the second tiers in CA that had a part time program and the top 3rd tiers that had a part time program. The ones I didn't apply pt to either didn't have a pt program or I felt like I had a good chance of getting into their ft program.