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USA or USSR?Report: CIA holds terror suspects in secret prisonsNEW YORK (AP) -- The CIA has been hiding and interrogating some of its most important al Qaeda captives at a Soviet-era compound in Eastern Europe, according to U.S. and foreign officials familiar with the arrangement, the Washington Post reported.The secret facility is part of a covert prison system set up by the CIA nearly four years ago that at various times has included sites in eight countries, including Thailand, Afghanistan and several democracies in Eastern Europe, as well as a small center at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, according to current and former intelligence officials and diplomats from three continents, the paper said Tuesday.The hidden global internment network is a central element in the CIA's unconventional war on terrorism, the Post said. It depends on the cooperation of foreign intelligence services, and on keeping even basic information about the system secret from the public, foreign officials and nearly all members of Congress charged with overseeing the CIA's covert actions.The existence and locations of the facilities -- referred to as "black sites" in classified White House, CIA, Justice Department and congressional documents -- are known to only a handful of officials in the United States and, usually, only to the president and a few top intelligence officers in each host country, it said.The CIA and the White House, citing national security concerns and the value of the program, have dissuaded Congress from demanding that the agency answer questions in open testimony about the conditions under which captives are held. Virtually nothing is known about who is kept in the facilities, what interrogation methods are employed with them, or how decisions are made about whether they should be detained or for how long.While the Defense Department has produced volumes of public reports and testimony about its detention practices and rules after the abuse scandals at Iraq's Abu Ghraib prison and at Guantanamo Bay, the CIA has not even acknowledged the existence of its black sites. To do so, officials familiar with the program told the Post, could open the U.S. government to legal challenges, particularly in foreign courts, and increase the risk of political condemnation at home and abroad.But the revelations of widespread prisoner abuse in Afghanistan and Iraq by the U.S. military -- which operates under published rules and transparent oversight of Congress -- have increased concern among lawmakers, foreign governments and human rights groups about the opaque CIA system. Those concerns escalated last month, when Vice President Cheney and CIA Director Porter J. Goss asked Congress to exempt CIA employees from legislation already endorsed by 90 senators that would bar cruel and degrading treatment of any prisoner in U.S. custody.Although the CIA will not acknowledge details of its system, intelligence officials defend the agency's approach, arguing that the successful defense of the country requires that the agency be empowered to hold and interrogate suspected terrorists for as long as necessary and without restrictions imposed by the U.S. legal system or even by the military tribunals established for prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay.The Washington Post said it is not publishing the names of the Eastern European countries involved in the covert program, at the request of senior U.S. officials. They argued that the disclosure might disrupt counterterrorism efforts in those countries and elsewhere and could make them targets of possible terrorist retaliation.The secret detention system was conceived in the chaotic and anxious first months after the September 11, 2001, attacks, when the working assumption was that a second strike was imminent.Since then, the arrangement has been increasingly debated within the CIA, where considerable concern lingers about the legality, morality and practicality of holding even unrepentant terrorists in such isolation and secrecy, perhaps for the duration of their lives. Mid-level and senior CIA officers began arguing two years ago that the system was unsustainable and diverted the agency from its unique espionage mission, the Post said.
As for John Walker Lindh, he was caught on the battlefield, fighting Americans. He was an American, fighting against American troops. Even if he did not intend on killing Americans initially, that still doesn't remove that fact. He was fighting his own country. That carries the death penalty (in military and civilian courts) in the United States. He should have been tried and executed.
I have my facts right, John Walker Lindh was trying leave to Iran not because he didn't wan't to hurt Americans. He was trying to avoid capture by Americans soldiers. The fact that he was trying escape to Iran is interesting. That he didn't escape to Pakistan, where most who were trying to escape initially went. He knew he was guilty of treason; his running to Iran was because it would have ensured that he would not be captured. Most peole who weren't afraid to die in the Taliban either stayed put, or went to Pakistan. Whether he was involved in the murder of the CIA officer interrogating him is out of the question. He was in Afghanistan, fighting for the Taliban. The Taliban was fighting against the United States. He did not give the Americans or their allies any assistance that would have exonerated him for joining such a dispicable group. If you are fighting for a group that is fighting against the United States, and you are an American, you are guilty of treason. I never said that the Norther Alliance was a group of savory characters; and you're right in stating that they were guilty of many atrocities. But in your claims, you don't eve try to even acknowledge what the Taliban did. Are you still making then claim that the Taliban was better than the Northern Alliance?
Quote from: Julie Fern on November 02, 2005, 10:31:14 AMyou know right-wing extremists in trouble when they beat dead horse known as bill clinton.hahahahahahahaha!And you know that left-wing extremists are in trouble when they bring up dead issues, like how we got into the war in Iraq. That's when you know they're out of ideas.