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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2005, 01:29:45 PM »

hussein AND his military regime ARE GONE.

hussein's heirs to iraq ARE DEAD.

kurds ARE moving to power in iraq...the tribes are not under one "murdering despot regime" anymore.

the market IS status quo...leveling.


Military regime is not gone...they are now fighting for the insurgency.  Probably the greatest mistake Bush made, once inside Iraq, was disbanding the guard.

Sunnis will never submit to Kurds, which is why the Constitution will never truly work.  Symbolically, sure it looks good.  But it is not practical.  Civil War is imminent.

Saddam's hiers are not important.  Saddam himself was unimportant (except to US oil and contracting corporations)  Bin Laden is who is important.  Where is he?  Oops, we have no idea.

Stock market doesn't mean anything since people do not have money to play the market.  Middle class drives the economy, and the middle class has been hammered by exportation of jobs to China, India etc.  And "leveling" is relative.  Gas prices are also leveling...leveling at about $2.75/gallon.

We are in Iraq as a result of a lie.  People are dying overseas and at home.  This administration doesn't know what to do. It's inept both in handling domestic issues and international issues.  Homeland security is a failure.  People cannot afford gas, heat, health insurance, prescription drugs.  One by one the neocons are being dismissed...Delay, Libby, soon to be Frist and Rove, in near future Bush and Cheney.  The GOP has been hijacked by fundamental conservatives.  The neocons have sunk the GOP.

We will still love you though.   ;) 

     
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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2005, 01:41:45 AM »

hussein AND his military regime ARE GONE.

hussein's heirs to iraq ARE DEAD.

kurds ARE moving to power in iraq...the tribes are not under one "murdering despot regime" anymore.

the market IS status quo...leveling.


Military regime is not gone...they are now fighting for the insurgency.  Probably the greatest mistake Bush made, once inside Iraq, was disbanding the guard.

Sunnis will never submit to Kurds, which is why the Constitution will never truly work.  Symbolically, sure it looks good.  But it is not practical.  Civil War is imminent.

Saddam's hiers are not important.  Saddam himself was unimportant (except to US oil and contracting corporations)  Bin Laden is who is important.  Where is he?  Oops, we have no idea.

Stock market doesn't mean anything since people do not have money to play the market.  Middle class drives the economy, and the middle class has been hammered by exportation of jobs to China, India etc.  And "leveling" is relative.  Gas prices are also leveling...leveling at about $2.75/gallon.

We are in Iraq as a result of a lie.  People are dying overseas and at home.  This administration doesn't know what to do. It's inept both in handling domestic issues and international issues.  Homeland security is a failure.  People cannot afford gas, heat, health insurance, prescription drugs.  One by one the neocons are being dismissed...Delay, Libby, soon to be Frist and Rove, in near future Bush and Cheney.  The GOP has been hijacked by fundamental conservatives.  The neocons have sunk the GOP.

We will still love you though.   ;) 

     

okay? is a neocon another term for old school?   because all aye am getting is "not new" party...or is it a term for "new consciousness"?

in any case "grassroots conservatives" get away with shite because the donkees are in chapter 1...the footnotes...the table of contents...the appendix...the illustrations...

hey man...if liberals want to have a say once again...they better move a little closer to the center...and take a course in history and geography.
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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2005, 02:07:45 AM »

okay? is a neocon another term for old school?   because all aye am getting is "not new" party...or is it a term for "new consciousness"?

in any case "grassroots conservatives" get away with shite because the donkees are in chapter 1...the footnotes...the table of contents...the appendix...the illustrations...

hey man...if liberals want to have a say once again...they better move a little closer to the center...and take a course in history and geography.


neocon = merging of state and corporate interests under extreme nationalism = facism = new conservatives = today's republican party.

It's funny that people think liberals have moved way to the left and that they need to move back to the center.  Liberals actually haven't really moved at all. It's just that the conservatives have moved so far to the right (in order to try and reclaim "traditional values"), that to them, the liberals are now far, far to the left.   

The reality with the todays conservatives, though, is that anything that doesn't move to the right with them is now "liberal."  In actuality, us liberal progressives want to "progress" and move forward in areas like fuel efficiency, human/civil rights, technology, science, medicine etc etc.  Neo-cons want to turn back time to the 1930's where white men ran the county, women stayed in the kitchen, people went to church, and no one questioned authority.

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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2005, 02:30:53 AM »

okay? is a neocon another term for old school?   because all aye am getting is "not new" party...or is it a term for "new consciousness"?

in any case "grassroots conservatives" get away with shite because the donkees are in chapter 1...the footnotes...the table of contents...the appendix...the illustrations...

hey man...if liberals want to have a say once again...they better move a little closer to the center...and take a course in history and geography.


neocon = merging of state and corporate interests under extreme nationalism = facism = new conservatives = today's republican party.

It's funny that people think liberals have moved way to the left and that they need to move back to the center.  Liberals actually haven't really moved at all. It's just that the conservatives have moved so far to the right (in order to try and reclaim "traditional values"), that to them, the liberals are now far, far to the left.   

The reality with the todays conservatives, though, is that anything that doesn't move to the right with them is now "liberal."  In actuality, us liberal progressives want to "progress" and move forward in areas like fuel efficiency, human/civil rights, technology, science, medicine etc etc.  Neo-cons want to turn back time to the 1930's where white men ran the county, women stayed in the kitchen, people went to church, and no one questioned authority.



okay then...what if:
 
a person was for removing hussein directly after he crossed into quwait...and is pro maintaining roe vs. wade?
supports aa 
owns antique weaponry ;)
owns property
protests military recruitment in schools?

is that a progressive conservative
a liberal republican
a conservative democrat
a grassroots conservative
a liberal democrat
an ad lib or a neo con?

 
or an independent?
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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2005, 05:02:51 AM »

hussein AND his military regime ARE GONE.

hussein's heirs to iraq ARE DEAD.

kurds ARE moving to power in iraq...the tribes are not under one "murdering despot regime" anymore.

the market IS status quo...leveling.


Military regime is not gone...they are now fighting for the insurgency.  Probably the greatest mistake Bush made, once inside Iraq, was disbanding the guard.

Sunnis will never submit to Kurds, which is why the Constitution will never truly work.  Symbolically, sure it looks good.  But it is not practical.  Civil War is imminent.

Saddam's hiers are not important.  Saddam himself was unimportant (except to US oil and contracting corporations)  Bin Laden is who is important.  Where is he?  Oops, we have no idea.

Stock market doesn't mean anything since people do not have money to play the market.  Middle class drives the economy, and the middle class has been hammered by exportation of jobs to China, India etc.  And "leveling" is relative.  Gas prices are also leveling...leveling at about $2.75/gallon.

We are in Iraq as a result of a lie.  People are dying overseas and at home.  This administration doesn't know what to do. It's inept both in handling domestic issues and international issues.  Homeland security is a failure.  People cannot afford gas, heat, health insurance, prescription drugs.  One by one the neocons are being dismissed...Delay, Libby, soon to be Frist and Rove, in near future Bush and Cheney.  The GOP has been hijacked by fundamental conservatives.  The neocons have sunk the GOP.

We will still love you though.   ;) 

     

husseins sons were of vital importance to be taken out of the equation...
although capturing them was not important...assasinating them and/or making sure they were dead was of grave importance...those two sons were the heirs to the regime.

you should be more progressive and read something about the modern history of iraq...go back to the 60's...at least...curl up with some british imperialism in mesopoetamia and british carving up of iraq...and the history of kurdistan.

have a nice day. ;)


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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2005, 12:54:30 PM »
looks like the republicans rolled over and handed the dems a big slice of "shut the &##2@@%%% up" and get back to work on getting the 2nd judge through to the super court.

that smokescreen subsided quickly.
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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2005, 01:38:23 PM »

husseins sons were of vital importance to be taken out of the equation...
although capturing them was not important...assasinating them and/or making sure they were dead was of grave importance...those two sons were the heirs to the regime.

you should be more progressive and read something about the modern history of iraq...go back to the 60's...at least...curl up with some british imperialism in mesopoetamia and british carving up of iraq...and the history of kurdistan.

have a nice day. ;)


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Heirs to a regime that had nothing to do with 9-11, nothing to do with WMD, and nothing to do with terrorism.

And where is Bin Laden?

And reading about British imperialism in the 60's is irrelevant to the current situation going on in Iraq. 

There is nothing progressive about revisionism.

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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2005, 04:02:37 PM »

husseins sons were of vital importance to be taken out of the equation...
although capturing them was not important...assasinating them and/or making sure they were dead was of grave importance...those two sons were the heirs to the regime.

you should be more progressive and read something about the modern history of iraq...go back to the 60's...at least...curl up with some british imperialism in mesopoetamia and british carving up of iraq...and the history of kurdistan.

have a nice day. ;)


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Heirs to a regime that had nothing to do with 9-11, nothing to do with WMD, and nothing to do with terrorism.

And where is Bin Laden?

And reading about British imperialism in the 60's is irrelevant to the current situation going on in Iraq. 

There is nothing progressive about revisionism.



the wobblies were the greatest union movement ever!

that's progressive AND revisionist!

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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2005, 06:03:17 PM »

okay then...what if:
 
a person was for removing hussein directly after he crossed into quwait...and is pro maintaining roe vs. wade?
supports aa 
owns antique weaponry ;)
owns property
protests military recruitment in schools?



I assume these are reflective of yourself. 

One cannot truly come to a consensus of what type of person (politically) someone is based just on what you have provided.

Your going to have to dive deaper into what the reasons are for such beliefs.
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Re: congress closed session...smokescreen
« Reply #39 on: November 06, 2005, 07:48:31 PM »
looks like the republicans rolled over and handed the dems a big slice of "shut the &##2@@%%% up" and get back to work on getting the 2nd judge through to the super court.

that smokescreen subsided quickly.

oh, republicans so masterful!  has ever been bigger pouter than bill "that some stock in your pocket, or you just glad to see me?" frist?