congress closed session...smokescreen

[Julie Fern]

vietnamese not trying to invade u.s., just to throw u.s. out of its country.  guess who succeeded there and who not.

what julie sees in iraq is insurgency that continues to operate.  insurgency bombs getting more powerful.  iraqis mostly support insurgency.

but julie must admit:  iraqis getting nowhere on invading u.s.  for now, cape cod safe.

[SCgrad]

If Vietnam won the war, what did they win?

[Julie Fern]

again:  they threw us out.

[SCgrad]

I don't want to quote Thirst from the Sprite commercials, but if you win "nothing," is it really winning?  Weren't we there to fight communism?  In the grand scheme of things, our position won, it just took waaaaaaay longer than expected.

[! B L U E WAR R I O R..!]

if some think that the american military casualties are at 2000+...they are sorely mistaken...one must take the war with iraq back to the invasion of quwait...

now...how many american lives were lost in vietnam?
how many american lives were lost in korea?
how many american lives were lost in the japan conflict?

lets see the numbers...

[angmill08]

If Vietnam won the war, what did they win?

They won the unification of N & S Vietnam under communist rule. This is what they were fighting for. They were sucessful in achieving this goal. The US was fighting to prevent this from happening; to keep S. Vietnam out of communist rule and prevent re-unification under a communist government. The US was not able to achieve this. What is your argument here?

[SCgrad]

Well, last I checked, Vietnam is not communist and communism only scarcely exists in the entire world.  If we were fighting communism in a de facto war with Russia, I guess history would call us the winner.  That is my argument.

[Julie Fern]

I don't want to quote Thirst from the Sprite commercials, but if you win "nothing," is it really winning? Weren't we there to fight communism? In the grand scheme of things, our position won, it just took waaaaaaay longer than expected.

when u.s. left, communist government in charge.  it still is.

u.s. lost.  it just that simple.

[Julie Fern]

Well, last I checked, Vietnam is not communist and communism only scarcely exists in the entire world. If we were fighting communism in a de facto war with Russia, I guess history would call us the winner. That is my argument.

gee, have you notified chinese?

[SCgrad]

I don't want to quote Thirst from the Sprite commercials, but if you win "nothing," is it really winning? Weren't we there to fight communism? In the grand scheme of things, our position won, it just took waaaaaaay longer than expected.

when u.s. left, communist government in charge.  it still is.

u.s. lost.  it just that simple.

Well, last I checked, Vietnam is not communist and communism only scarcely exists in the entire world. If we were fighting communism in a de facto war with Russia, I guess history would call us the winner. That is my argument.

gee, have you notified chinese?

Go read a book.