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Black Law Student Discussion Board

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Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #240 on: July 28, 2004, 10:01:31 AM »
Obama was awesome!! This dude has got me all excited about politics again. Blunts, you mentioned that you wish that Hispanics had a spokesman like Obama. IMHO, I think that a leader like Obama would reach across all ethnic and economic lines. I don't think it's the ethnicity or background of a leader that matters, it's his/her ability to connect and identify with diverse groups of people. Obama could be as much of a spokesman for Hispanics as poor whites in Appalachia.


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Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #241 on: July 28, 2004, 10:20:11 AM »
BOSTON, Massachusetts (CNN) -- Barack Obama,  who is running for the U.S.
Senate from Illinois, gave the keynote speech  Tuesday night at the Democratic
National Convention. This is a transcript  of his remarks.
On behalf of the great state of Illinois, crossroads of a nation, land  of
Lincoln, let me express my deepest gratitude for the privilege of  addressing
this convention. Tonight is a particular honor for me because,  let's face it,
my presence on this stage is pretty unlikely.
My father was a foreign student, born and raised in a small village in 
Kenya. He grew up herding goats, went to school in a tin-roof shack. His  father,
my grandfather, was a cook, a domestic servant to the British.
But my grandfather had larger dreams for his son. Through hard work and 
perseverance my father got a scholarship to study in a magical place,  America,
that stood as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who  had come
before.
While studying here, my father met my mother. She was born in a town on  the
other side of the world, in Kansas.
Her father worked on oil rigs and farms through most of the Depression.  The
day after Pearl Harbor my grandfather signed up for duty, joined  Patton's
army and marched across Europe. Back home, my grandmother raised  their baby and
went to work on a bomber assembly line. After the war, they  studied on the GI
Bill, bought a house through FHA, and moved west, all  the way to Hawaii, in
search of opportunity.
And they, too, had big dreams for their daughter, a common dream, born  of
two continents.
My parents shared not only an improbable love; they shared an abiding  faith
in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African  name,
Barack, or "blessed," believing that in a tolerant America your name  is no
barrier to success.
They imagined me going to the best schools in the land, even though  they
weren't rich, because in a generous America you don't have to be rich  to achieve
your potential.
They're both passed away now. And yet, I know that, on this night, they  look
down on me with pride.
And I stand here today, grateful for the diversity of my heritage,  aware
that my parents' dreams live on in my two precious daughters.
I stand here knowing that my story is part of the larger American  story,
that I owe a debt to all of those who came before me, and that, in  no other
country on Earth, is my story even possible.
Tonight, we gather to affirm the greatness of our nation, not because  of the
height of our skyscrapers, or the power of our military, or the  size of our
economy. Our pride is based on a very simple premise, summed  up in a
declaration made over two hundred years ago, "We hold these truths  to be
self-evident, that all men are created equal. That they are endowed  by their
Creator with
certain inalienable rights. That among these are  life, liberty and the
pursuit of happiness."
That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams, an 
insistence on small miracles. That we can tuck in our children at night  and know
they are fed and clothed and safe from harm. That we can say what  we think,
write what we think, without hearing a sudden knock on the door.  That we can have
an idea and start our own business without paying a  bribe. That we can
participate in the political process without fear of  retribution, and that our
votes will be counted -- or at least, most of  the time.
This year, in this election, we are called to reaffirm our values and 
commitments, to hold them against a hard reality and see how we are  measuring up,
to the legacy of our forbearers and the promise of future  generations.
And fellow Americans -- Democrats, Republicans, Independents -- I say  to you
tonight: we have more work to do. More work to do for the workers I  met in
Galesburg, Illinois, who are losing their union jobs at the Maytag  plant
that's moving to Mexico, and now are having to compete with their  own children for
jobs that pay seven bucks an hour. More to do for the  father I met who was
losing his job and choking back tears, wondering how  he would pay $4,500 a
month for the drugs his son needs without the health  benefits that he counted
on. More to do for the young woman in East St.  Louis, and thousands more like
her, who has the grades, has the drive, has  the will, but doesn't have the
money to go to college.
Now don't get me wrong. The people I meet in small towns and big  cities, in
diners and office parks, they don't expect government to solve  all their
problems. They know they have to work hard to get ahead and they  want to.
Go into the collar counties around Chicago, and people will tell you  they
don't want their tax money wasted by a welfare agency or the  Pentagon.
Go into any inner city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that  government
alone can't teach our kids to learn. They know that parents  have to parent,
that children can't achieve unless we raise their  expectations and turn off
the television sets and eradicate the slander  that says a black youth with a
book is acting white. They know those  things.
People don't expect government to solve all their problems. But they  sense,
deep in their bones, that with just a change in priorities, we can  make sure
that every child in America has a decent shot at life, and that  the doors of
opportunity remain open to all. They know we can do better.  And they want
that choice.
In this election, we offer that choice. Our party has chosen a man to  lead
us who embodies the best this country has to offer. And that man is  John
Kerry....

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Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #242 on: July 28, 2004, 10:21:01 AM »
John Kerry understands the ideals of community, faith, and service,  because
they've defined his life. From his heroic service in Vietnam to  his years as
prosecutor and lieutenant governor, through two decades in  the United States
Senate, he has devoted himself to this country. Again  and again, we've seen
him make tough choices when easier ones were  available. His values and his
record affirm what is best in us.
John Kerry believes in an America where hard work is rewarded. So  instead of
offering tax breaks to companies shipping jobs overseas, he'll  offer them to
companies creating jobs here at home.
John Kerry believes in an America where all Americans can afford the  same
health coverage our politicians in Washington have for  themselves.
John Kerry believes in energy independence, so we aren't held hostage  to the
profits of oil companies or the sabotage of foreign oil fields.
John Kerry believes in the constitutional freedoms that have made our 
country the envy of the world, and he will never sacrifice our basic  liberties nor
use faith as a wedge to divide us.
And John Kerry believes that in a dangerous world, war must be an  option
sometimes, but it should never be the first option.
You know, a while back, I met a young man named Shamus at the VFW Hall  in
East Moline, Illinois. He was a good-looking kid, 6-2 or 6-3, clear  eyed, with
an easy smile. He told me he'd joined the Marines and was  heading to Iraq the
following week.
And as I listened to him explain why he'd enlisted, his absolute faith  in
our country and its leaders, his devotion to duty and service, I  thought this
young man was all that any of us might hope for in a child.  But then I asked
myself: Are we serving Shamus as well as he was serving  us?
I thought of the 900 men and women, sons and daughters, husbands and  wives,
friends and neighbors, who will not be returning to their  hometowns. I
thought of families I had met who were struggling to get by  without a loved one's
full income, or whose loved ones had returned with a  limb missing or nerves
shattered, but who still lacked long-term health  benefits because they were
reservists.
When we send our young men and women into harm's way, we have a solemn 
obligation not to fudge the numbers or shade the truth about why they're  going, to
care for their families while they're gone, to tend to the  soldiers upon
their return, and to never ever go to war without enough  troops to win the war,
secure the peace, and earn the respect of the  world.
Now let me be clear. Let me be clear. We have real enemies in the  world.
These enemies must be found. They must be pursued and they must be  defeated.
John Kerry knows this. And just as Lieutenant Kerry did not hesitate to  risk
his life to protect the men who served with him in Vietnam, President  Kerry
will not hesitate one moment to use our military might to keep  America safe
and secure.
John Kerry believes in America. And he knows that it's not enough for  just
some of us to prosper. For alongside our famous individualism,  there's another
ingredient in the American saga. A belief that we are all  connected as one
people.
If there's a child on the South Side of Chicago who can't read, that  matters
to me, even if it's not my child.
If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for their  prescription
and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes  my life poorer,
even if it's not my grandparent.
If there's an Arab-American family being rounded up without benefit of  an
attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties.
It is that fundamental belief -- it is that fundamental belief -- I am  my
brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country  work.
It's what allows us to pursue our individual dreams, yet still come  together
as a single American family. "E pluribus unum." Out of many,  one.
Now even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us,  the
spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of  anything
goes.
Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a 
conservative America -- there is the United States of America.
There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and  Asian
America -- there is the United States of America.
The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red  states
and blue states; red states for Republicans, blue states for  Democrats. But
I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in  the blue states, and
we don't like federal agents poking around our  libraries in the red states.
We coach Little League in the blue states and have gay friends in the  red
states.
There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who  supported
it.
We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and  stripes,
all of us defending the United States of America.
In the end, that's what this election is about. Do we participate in a 
politics of cynicism or do we participate in a politics of hope?
John Kerry calls on us to hope. John Edwards calls on us to hope. I'm  not
talking about blind optimism here-the almost willful ignorance that  thinks
unemployment will go away if we just don't talk about it, or the  health care
crisis will solve itself if we just ignore it.
That's not what I'm talking [about]. I'm talking about something more 
substantial. It's the hope of slaves sitting around a fire singing freedom  songs;
the hope of immigrants setting out for distant shores; the hope of  a young
naval lieutenant bravely patrolling the Mekong Delta; the hope of  a mill
worker's son who dares to defy the odds; the hope of a skinny kid  with a funny name
who believes that America has a place for him, too.
Hope in the face of difficulty, hope in the face of uncertainty, the 
audacity of hope.
In the end, that is God's greatest gift to us, the bedrock of this  nation; a
belief in things not seen; a belief that there are better days  ahead.
I believe we can give our middle class relief and provide working  families
with a road to opportunity.
I believe we can provide jobs to the jobless, homes to the homeless,  and
reclaim young people in cities across America from violence and  despair.
I believe that we have a righteous wind at our backs, and that as we  stand
on the crossroads of history, we can make the right choices and meet  the
challenges that face us.
America, tonight, if you feel the same energy that I do, if you feel  the
same urgency that I do, if you feel the same passion that I do, if you  feel the
same hopefulness that I do, if we do what we must do, then I have  no doubt
that all across the country, from Florida to Oregon, from  Washington to Maine,
the people will rise up in November, and John Kerry  will be sworn in as
president. And JohnEdwards will be sworn in as vice  president. And this country
will reclaim its promise. And out of this long  political darkness a brighter
day will come.
Thank you very much, everybody. God bless you. Thank  you.

Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #243 on: July 28, 2004, 10:39:16 AM »
Thank you for posting that.  I was looking for a transcript of his speech because I unfortunately missed it. 

If anyone missed any of the other speakers...a transcript of their speeches are listed on the Democratic Convention website (except for Obama's, at least last time I checked)

www.dems2004.org

Lavia

Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #244 on: July 28, 2004, 01:34:15 PM »
Hello. I definitely understand the issue of being accused of acting white in my youth. When I moved to Detroit in the 3rd grade, I started getting teased and tortured around the 5th grade because I wasn't "Black enough." To survive, I learned how to 'act Black," and strangely enough, now I'm grateful.

Not grateful that I was tortured, but I am better able to speak to more than one type of culture as a result.

If I have a choice, my children will be raised in a mixed area, so they aren't ostracized from the dominate Black culture, but also are able to speak correctly, etc. That is, I want my children to be able to exist well in more than one type of culture.

My sibling, on the other hand, was much older than I was when we moved back to Detroit, and has never been accepted into the Black culture. The biggest problem with this is that my sibling is not white, and the white culture won't embrace Blacks fully. It's tough. I think being exposed to both cultures early is better for a well-rounded, happier, more accepted adult.

Lavia

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Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #245 on: July 28, 2004, 02:04:15 PM »
My dream, would be to marry a black man (rich who looks like Boris Kodjoe...j/k guys...) and live in a prosperous black community. My kids have all the time in the world to be "intergrated" with mainstream society. But at the end of the day, I want them to be around other sucessful black people. I'm actually doing research right now to find upper/middle class neighbhorhoods around the country. I heard Atlanta is a hot spot for that. Sorry I'm going off on a tangent here. Hmmm yeah...I love black folks, especially ones doing the damn thing LOL. Anyone joining NBLSA (National Black Law student association). I can't wait to network with all you peeps.

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« Reply #246 on: July 28, 2004, 02:26:08 PM »
My dream, would be to marry a black man (rich who looks like Boris Kodjoe...j/k guys...) and live in a prosperous black community. My kids have all the time in the world to be "intergrated" with mainstream society. But at the end of the day, I want them to be around other sucessful black people. I'm actually doing research right now to find upper/middle class neighbhorhoods around the country. I heard Atlanta is a hot spot for that. Sorry I'm going off on a tangent here. Hmmm yeah...I love black folks, especially ones doing the damn thing LOL. Anyone joining NBLSA (National Black Law student association). I can't wait to network with all you peeps.

You need to move with me to DC then because that's exactly what they have there.  Nothing but young black professionals doing their thing.

I was just talking with the BLSA chapter president at my school and I can't wait to join.  She was telling me about the different stuff that they do there.  You guys make sure you join your chapters at your respective schools once you get there (like I had to tell you twice)

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Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #247 on: July 28, 2004, 02:28:40 PM »
I hear ya Regal... I love it when black folks do their thing.  And, you're right, Boris Kodjoe (and Morris Chestnut  ;)) make for some great eye candy... but that's a whole nother topic.  I'm def gonna be joining the NBLSA upon entering law school so can't wait to start networking with everyone  :).  I heard Atlanta is a great place for successful Blacks as is NYC.  Anybody heard what's up w/ Chicago or any other notable places?  Oh yeah, if you missed Barack Obama's speech, you can find it on www.msnbc.com (I think)  :) 

Lavia

Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #248 on: July 28, 2004, 02:29:46 PM »
Lavia-

"I think being exposed to both cultures early is better for a well-rounded, happier, more accepted adult."

I don't know about that now. I guess it depends on the type of white culture you want to expose your children to. I don't think you want too much exposure by the way. My niece, who is 5 yrs old, look at me one day...and out of the frekin blue said "uncle..I wanna be white".   :o I was like whaaaa?!  I'm not saying that you shouldn't have your children around white kids when they are young, but it's very important to make sure that they know they are black, and that they love black sophisticated culture.

"If I have a choice, my children will be raised in a mixed area, so they aren't ostracized from the dominant Black culture"

What is the dominant black culture? I think you misspoke here a little bit. Are you suggesting that the majority of black people in America are buckandshuffle coons? Ying Yang Twin "MmmHuuu!!" acting fools? It is true that there are definitely a lot of lower class blacks out there, but, we are never going to have to worry about living with that group of African-Americans. That's why we are going to law school. I want to live in a black neighborhood with black professionals: Drs, Esq, stockbrokers, etc. That way, my children will not grow up hating themselves, and talking a lot of jive smack. But ummmm...a little jive is aight now.   8)

No, I never said what I felt the dominate black culture is. I definitely don't think it's the things you said. I mean I want my child to be able, as an adult or older teen, to get along with Black people in the middle of Detroit/Atlanta as well as the middle of white Wall Street. A versatile person. I don't think I would classify ANY Black people with the terms you used. I've never used those types of phrases, and never will. Actually, I hadn't heard those phrases till you wrote them :)

The majority of Black people aren't middle class by education/income level I think, and the majority of us that I know do have a culturally different way of speaking than does the white culture. I want my children to fit into popular Black culture. I want them to understand what chitlins are, and know how to say it right, and how to "sound Black" when the occasion calls for it. That is, they know the vocabulary, as well as the "way" to speak, and "jive" like you said, and also understand and feel the rich culture.

I still get surprised when I meet Black folk who don't even acknowledge me when we're in a room full of whites. I don't want my children to not get that there is a shared culture/history that demands us to recognize and welcome each other with at the least a smile. That it's rude otherwise.

Lavia

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Re: Black Law Student Discussion Board
« Reply #249 on: July 28, 2004, 02:33:50 PM »
Oh, and no, I'm not going to law school so I can live with other Black professionals. I am not a BUPPIE, nor do I want to be. I want to live in MIXED neighborhood. Not all white, or all Black (poor or rich). But at some point I want to live in a poorer Black area, for my children's sake. When I moved back to Detroit we lived in a rough neighborhood. Worked for me. Wouldn't want to grow up in an affluent Black or white neighborhood. Not "real" enough for me.

Mind you, I say that now, and I don't have kids now. Ask me again in a year or two when I do.

Lavia