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« Reply #53950 on: May 15, 2008, 05:02:35 AM »
So remember 7-year-old, I just like to do hoodrat stuff boy who stole his gma's SUV?  Yeah:

Poor kid. He needs help. However, I would have beat that ass in Wal-Mart before we went to the hospital. But, poor kid.  :-[

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« Reply #53951 on: May 15, 2008, 05:59:15 PM »
i'm 2 15 page papers away from this EdM and i'm losing momentum..  :'(... i have written 3 15 page papers in 3 days.. i am burnt out..


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« Reply #53952 on: May 15, 2008, 06:15:21 PM »
You're more than halfway there then :).  You can do it!

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« Reply #53953 on: May 15, 2008, 07:25:02 PM »
The diary of a mad first-year assocate:

- it's 3:22 am. i'd like to stick toothpicks in my eyes.
- i am the last person in the building, which is creepy because the whole thing, office walls and all is made of transparent glass.
-i will not leave the building today.
-i worked till 3 am last night.
- the only thing i've had to eat in the last 8 hours is a banana.
- i have to be in at 8:30 tomorrow.


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« Reply #53954 on: May 16, 2008, 09:30:37 PM »
Advice from the R. Kelly trial: 12 ways to get kicked out of the jury pool

By Stacy St. Clair

Tribune staff reporter

5:26 AM CDT, May 15, 2008

Jury selection is expected to resume at 9 a.m., with 10 more Cook County residents available for vetting.

There wasn't any progress Wednesday, with not a single person picked for the panel. Candidate after candidate came in with excuses as to why he or she couldn't serve on the high-profile case.

If the dismissed jurors this week joined together, they could write a book: "How to Get Out of Jury Duty without Really Trying."

Some of the potential chapters:

I have a teenage daughter. Several axed jurors provided this explanation for why they couldn't give Kelly a fair trial. "I would have a hard time see anything involving a child without thinking of my child," one man said.

I would change the age of consent.
Two who were kicked off offered this philosophy, one going so far as to suggest that "nature already had an age of [sexual] consent: puberty."

I save lives.
An oncologist was excused from duty after he told the judge that jury service would create a logistical nightmare for his patients.

Um, well, er, yes, I think I could be fair to Mr. Kelly. Maybe, yes
Nearly everyone who paused when asked if he or she could give the singer a fair trial got the boot from either the judge or the defense.

I'm a cop
One Niles police officer lasted only about two minutes in the interview room before he was dismissed because of his profession.

I (heart) R. Kelly Nothing gets prospective jurors booted faster than telling the prosecution they are a fan of Kelly's. Just ask the woman who called him a "musical genius." When prodded to say something negative about Kelly, the best she could come up with was: "He and [rapper] Jay-Z don't get along?" Prosecutors bounced her soon after.

I'll change my vacation plans. Overeagerness to serve on the jury is a definite red flag to attorneys. When one man offered to rearrange a trip to see his parents, the prosecution bounced him for being star-struck.

I work for a law firm.
A legal secretary wrote on her questionnaire, "I believe Mr. Kelly is guilty of the charges due to what I have read in the papers, and the fact that he was indicted by the grand jury further validates my beliefs." The woman and her perfectly worded response were excused. Lest she think she pulled a fast one on the court, Cook County Judge Vincent Gaughan knew her answer had been coached.

I'm getting married!
The judge dismissed one woman whose wedding was set for the end of June. He didn't believe she could concentrate on the trial amid all the pre-wedding prep. The woman, who sported a nice-size diamond on her left hand, looked thrilled to be released.

I'm currently involved in a lawsuit. Three people named as parties in existing civil lawsuits were automatically excused from service.

Please call my mom When one juror failed to show up for service, deputies called his house and his mother answered. She told the court that she didn't know where her son was and that he hadn't been "right" since he was shot in the head a while back. The judge and attorneys agreed to let him off the hook.

I blame R. Kelly for Sept. 11. When the judge asked one prospective juror about his feelings regarding Kelly, he cryptically answered: "R. Kelly may have led the Taliban in attacking us on 9-11, but you can't prove it." You're right, we can't. In fact, we're fairly certain that no one has ever tried.,0,3702588.story

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« Reply #53955 on: May 16, 2008, 09:31:55 PM »
Speaking of R Kelly...

CHICAGO — R. Kelly's jury is complete. The prosecution and defense, after arguing about the racial makeup of the pool once again, have finally agreed on the 12 jurors — one of whom is a rape victim — and four alternates who will determine the singer's fate in his child-pornography trial.

Kelly's jury consists of eight white people and four black people (with one white, one Latino and two black alternates). The jury also skews mostly male, with eight men and four women (with two men and two women as alternates). Age-wise, the jury is about evenly split between young and middle-age adults.

But demographics only tell us so much. What are these jurors' life experiences? Their attitudes? And how might that impact Kelly's case? With the caveat that each of these jurors was able to look at Kelly and his defense team, as well as the prosecution, and promise a fair trial, let's meet the jury. (Their designated numbers were from the prospective pool and will likely change as they are empanelled next week.)

» Juror #69 is a white male in his 30s who is the vice president of national accounts for his company and travels a lot for work. He listens to NPR and reads Forbes and the Wall Street Journal, but his wife reads Us Weekly. He once sought employment from the attorney general's office, and he believes that the criminal-justice system has a bias against minorities. He's the father of two small children, and he believes that "child porn is as low as it gets." On his jury questionnaire, he said that he believed Kelly was guilty, but he told the lawyers he's willing to put that aside to hear the evidence.

» Juror #6 is a black female in her 40s or 50s who is the wife of a Baptist preacher. She lives in the same area of Chicago as Kelly, Olympia Fields, but she did not know much about him or the case: "I have not heard the local scuttlebutt," she said. When asked if she had ever been the victim of a crime, she mentioned that a mentally ill man once broke into her home and took off his clothes while she and her husband were asleep; she got an order of protection against him.

» Juror #9 is a black male in his late 50s who works in telecommunications and identifies himself as Christian. He reads USA Today and watches CNN. He's not a fan of pornography and said that he didn't like going into 7-Eleven stores and seeing pornographic magazines displayed, but "if a person wants it," he's not going to argue with their right to look at it. He's heard of Kelly but could only name one song: "I Believe I Can Fly." "My kids could tell you more," he said. He's also heard of witness, and former R. Kelly manager, Barry Hankerson.

» Juror #21 is a white female in her 20s and is a criminal-justice student. She wants to be a police officer, and her father and boyfriend are both security guards. When asked if she had heard of Kelly, she said, "Just that he was a singer and that he was arrested." She could only name one or two songs of his, and referred to his music as "very old stuff." She has a final on Monday, and to accommodate her, the trial won't start until Tuesday.

» Juror #22 is a white male in his 40s, and he's served on two other juries before, in civil-lawsuit cases. He likes to get up early to read the newspaper, but he doesn't like the Chicago Sun-Times; he will only read that paper if it's free in the cafeteria at work. "I won't buy it," he said. He knows someone in jail for DUI.

» Juror #23 is a white male in his 30s who works as an investment banker but dresses very casually. He's against the death penalty and wore an "Impeach Bush" button to jury duty. He reads Vanity Fair, The New York Times, The Economist and The Nation. He has friends who are attorneys and judges, but the only celebrity cases he followed were O.J. Simpson's and Clarence Thomas'. "I would hold myself to a very high standard," he said when asked about being fair.

» Juror #32 is a black female in her late 20s who works as a teaching assistant at a Catholic school where there was a sex scandal (a priest was accused of molesting two boys). She had heard of Kelly and his onetime protégé Sparkle and knew the name of the alleged victim but didn't know her personally. She discussed the video in question with her friends, and they're split — some think it was him, some think it wasn't. "I'm not sure," she said. "I can't say."

» Juror #40 is a black male in his 30s or 40s, and he's a culinary student, while his wife works with the mentally challenged. He's heard of both Sparkle and Hankerson. He has followed the T.I. and Wesley Snipes cases closely, but he hasn't seen the tape or followed this story and only has heard it mentioned on AM talk radio.

» Juror #48 is a white male in his 20s and is a recent college graduate. In another state, he was arrested for underage drinking (for which he paid a $450 fine) and possession of marijuana (for which he served five days and paid a $350 fine). He thinks people with money can afford "better lawyers" but said that people "are entitled to their representation." He has followed the Michael Vick case but said he is too young to remember O.J.

» Juror #44 is a white male in his 30s or 40s, who owns a financial company. He once applied for a job with the state attorney's office 15 years ago. He's been involved in a child-custody case, which would mean he has children, but he didn't specify. He saw a faded-out version of the video on the evening news, but he's indifferent to it and has no opinion of the case.

» Juror #61 is a white male in his 60s who emigrated from Romania and has been in the U.S. for 38 years. He thinks the U.S. has a better justice system than his home country but seemed confused a little bit on how much the prosecution would have to prove (beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard, but he kept saying it would have to be 100 percent). "When I go to bed, I want to have a clear conscience," he said. "I'm probably not the smartest guy, but I will do what is best and fair." Before he retired, he used to work 12 hours a day, five days a week. He also didn't recognize Kelly at the defense table, even though he said he had heard of the case.

» Which brings us to Juror #68. She's a white woman in her 20s who did her undergraduate studies and graduate work out of state. When asked why she has a personalized license plate about violence prevention, she said it was because of her rape case, for which she had sought justice but prosecutors didn't get an indictment. When asked if she could put aside what happened to her for this case, she said, "It would be very hard, but yes." When asked if she could be impartial in a case involving pornography with a child, she said, "It would be really difficult, but yes."

The defense wanted to strike this last juror but had used up all of its peremptory strikes at this point in some squabbling with the prosecution about how many black people versus white people were on the jury. Defense attorney Sam Adam Sr. accused the prosecution once again of using most of its challenges against black jurors, while prosecutor Shauna Boliker countered that the defense had used all of its peremptory strikes against whites.

Defense attorney Ed Genson even asked the judge to grant the defense one extra peremptory strike, and when Judge Vincent Gaughan asked on what grounds, Genson said, "Because we've run out of them."

No such luck, and this jury (with four alternates) stands.

Source: MTV News


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« Reply #53956 on: May 17, 2008, 07:19:58 AM »
35-year-old chosen to lead NAACP

    * Story Highlights
    * Ben Jealous, 35, will be youngest leader in group's 99-year history
    * Debate contentious; 'No one clapped or celebrated' after vote, board member says
    * Jealous was Rhodes Scholar, leader of Amnesty International division
    * He says some in his generation have false sense of progress

(CNN) -- The NAACP has chosen Ben Jealous as its new president after a contentious debate that lasted long into the night, members of its board of directors said Saturday.

Jealous, 35, will be the youngest president in the NAACP's 99-year history, The Associated Press reported.

When the 34-21 vote was announced, "no one clapped or celebrated," one board member said after the meeting in Baltimore, Maryland.

Jealous was the only finalist presented by the search committee to the full board for consideration. Some board members wanted to hear from two others whom the search committee identified as finalists, but Jealous' supporters prevented it, sources said.

Jealous steps into a challenging role.

"There are a small number of groups to whom all black people in this country owe a debt of gratitude, and the NAACP is one of them," Jealous told AP before the vote. "There is work that is undone ... the need continues and our children continue to be at great risk in this country."

Sources said Jealous, a former newspaper editor and director of an Amnesty International division, was the only finalist for the post of president, vacant for more than a year. He was the primary choice of board Chairman Julian Bond, sources said.

He replaces Bruce Gordon, a retired Verizon executive who quit in March 2007, citing friction with Bond and the group's 64-member board. Gordon said he was also unhappy with the direction of the NAACP, the nation's oldest and largest civil rights organization.

Jealous is president of the California-based Rosenberg Foundation, and before that he directed the U.S. human rights program for Amnesty International.

In the mid-1990s, Jealous was the managing editor of the Jackson Advocate, the oldest black newspaper in Mississippi. He was later the executive director of the National Newspaper Publishers Association, a federation of more than 200 black community papers.

Jealous began his career as an organizer with the NAACP Legal Defense Fund,working on health care issues, the NAACP said.

Jealous, a native of California, is a graduate of Columbia University and Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar, the NAACP said.

He told AP that many in his generation have a false sense of progress in racial equality.

"Those of us who are 45 and younger were told, 'The struggle has been won. Go out and flourish. Don't worry about the movement,"' he told AP.

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« Reply #53957 on: May 17, 2008, 08:38:59 AM »
Has to be a better pick than Gordon . . .

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« Reply #53958 on: May 18, 2008, 12:25:53 PM »
i was wondering if anyone could help me...I am currently an 0L make a decision between Touro or John Marshall. Are there students who attend or know about these schools? Thanks in advance?

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« Reply #53959 on: May 18, 2008, 01:15:52 PM »
i was wondering if anyone could help me...I am currently an 0L make a decision between Touro or John Marshall. Are there students who attend or know about these schools? Thanks in advance?

I know nothing about the schools, but I'd say that you should pick the school that's located in the market that you want to work in.  Thus, do you want to work in Chicago?  If so, go to JM.  If you want NY, go to Touro.