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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2004, 04:51:27 PM »
First of all, Mormons are very kindhearted people, and would never treat Gentiles badly.  You obviously don't know anything about us, and are just judging based on popular misconceptions.  I have heard that BYU is a very good law school, and am inclined to go there over Harvard.  Even though I am LDS, I would recommend the same for any educated Gentile.

BYU is a great school, but if you are not Mormon, DO NOT GO THERE!!! You will be truly miserable and isolated, despite arguments by some that the law school is imune from the bizarre culture of the undergrad.

im sure its a wonderful place but i just cant imagine living/ going to school in the state of Iowa
also, in the mountains of utah where... where it might be a bit too conservative even for me
but they seem to recruit profs/students pretty well so must have something there
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Unless you're LDS, I don't see why BYU would be a better choice than Harvard.  Even assuming you're correct about people at BYU being extremely tolerant, unlike people at Harvard, how does that significantly factor into where one should go to law school?  Suck it up, deal with intolerance for three years, and leave with a JD from a school that will ALWAYS be one of the best three in the country.  And be a better and tougher person for having dealt with people who disagree with you, because that's what life is like.  Unless you're going to work in Utah surrounding by Mormons, again assuming that they are all as tolerant as you say, then you're going to have to deal with people who want to screw you over, so I would argue that it'll actually HURT you to go to a school where you don't have to deal with that.  And I'm not saying that it's just the work place where people try to screw you; you could work at a firm where everyone is really helpful and nice, and that's fabulous.  But you still need to be able to stand up for yourself, as an employee, a consumer, a human being, and I think going to Harvard will prepare you for that much better than BYU can.
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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2004, 05:09:17 PM »
That doesn't even make sense.  What are you trying to say?  I'm saying that Mormon's are very tolerant of others, unlike a lot of liberals for whom it is "my way or the highway." 

It's very easy for people to be tolerant of you when you're just like them.  And while I agree many liberals are "my way or the highway" I've never heard a liberal tell someone they are a terrorist because they disagree, and I surely haven't heard a liberal threaten the life of someone just for disagreeing.  On the other hand, my slightly left of center beliefs have resulted in my being assaulted on three occasions, threatened on dozens, and called "unAmerican" god knows how many times, so you might cut me a little slack when I sometimes do the "my way or the highway" thing.


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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2004, 06:02:45 PM »
rcjackson
I assume you're not from the San Francisco Bay Area? Not that it's typical but being threatened, assaulted, etc. would not be completely abnormal depending on how conservative your views and how open you are about them.

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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2004, 08:21:59 PM »
First of all, Mormons are very kindhearted people, and would never treat Gentiles badly.  You obviously don't know anything about us, and are just judging based on popular misconceptions.  I have heard that BYU is a very good law school, and am inclined to go there over Harvard.  Even though I am LDS, I would recommend the same for any educated Gentile.

BYU is a great school, but if you are not Mormon, DO NOT GO THERE!!! You will be truly miserable and isolated, despite arguments by some that the law school is imune from the bizarre culture of the undergrad.

im sure its a wonderful place but i just cant imagine living/ going to school in the state of Iowa
also, in the mountains of utah where... where it might be a bit too conservative even for me
but they seem to recruit profs/students pretty well so must have something there
 :-\

gentile means "non-jew".  you could have just said "non-mormon"

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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2004, 09:22:28 PM »
In the Mormon world, gentile MEANS non-mormon.  I was probably 16 before I realized that it also meant non-jew because everyone I knew used it to mean no-Mo.

First of all, Mormons are very kindhearted people, and would never treat Gentiles badly.  You obviously don't know anything about us, and are just judging based on popular misconceptions.  I have heard that BYU is a very good law school, and am inclined to go there over Harvard.  Even though I am LDS, I would recommend the same for any educated Gentile.

BYU is a great school, but if you are not Mormon, DO NOT GO THERE!!! You will be truly miserable and isolated, despite arguments by some that the law school is imune from the bizarre culture of the undergrad.

im sure its a wonderful place but i just cant imagine living/ going to school in the state of Iowa
also, in the mountains of utah where... where it might be a bit too conservative even for me
but they seem to recruit profs/students pretty well so must have something there
 :-\

gentile means "non-jew".  you could have just said "non-mormon"
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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2004, 09:49:54 AM »
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I assume you're not from the San Francisco Bay Area? Not that it's typical but being threatened, assaulted, etc. would not be completely abnormal depending on how conservative your views and how open you are about them.

"Not completely abnormal" in San Fransisco, widely recognized as a haven of liberalism, vs. "completely common" in the deep south.  And I'm not talking about a right-winger walking into the middle of Haight-Ashbury and screaming "kill the fags!" I'm talking about being accosted in a parking lot because my car has a sticker on it that says "War is not the answer" which, oddly enough, my super conservative WWII veteran grandfather got from his church group.  

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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2004, 11:05:47 AM »
i have not seen jsmagichat's earlier posts, but in his or her defense, i am sure being a mormon has been much more of a stigma than being a liberal.  although i do not necessarily share the view that harvard would be harder for conservatives than byu for liberals (which is not based on any real facts), jsmagichat's being defensive of mormons is understandable.  think about stereotypes of liberals and than compare them to stereotypes (the only one i can think of by the way is polygamy) of mormons.  cut jsmagichat some slack.

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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2004, 01:12:08 PM »
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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2004, 02:22:56 PM »
oh, well then..

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Re: Iowa and BYU really that good??
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2004, 05:03:00 PM »
i don't think that jsmagichat is really a mormon and, if he is, he's a really terrible example. there has been some mormon bashing on this site and i think that jsmagichat is just fueling the fire with his own biases.

byu is a good law school. i know of a lot of mormon and non-mormon byu alumns who loved it, and are doing quite well now. although, if presented with the choice, i would probably choose harvard over byu (even though "One L" nearly scared the crap out of me).
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