Law School Discussion

Touro College vs. Novus

barprephero

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #50 on: December 17, 2014, 11:25:08 AM »
Yes and No. They had grads (at least in theory) who are lawyers. BUT would have to be grads that qualified otherwise even without it by reading for the law (a few states such as CA allow that)

Its not much more of a scam than the accredited EJD deals out the there. I say that since unaccredited JD's in CA let you sit the bar, so its kind of like the unaccredited bar approved JD and the EJD had a deaf limp and lame child that they hid in the closet but a hand full of people still knew about.

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #51 on: December 17, 2014, 07:06:26 PM »
1.  What grads are lawyers - you going to believe Novus? Reading for the law? With who, their mother?  Not likely.

2.  A regionally accredited EJD is not a scam, it is similar a MA in Legal Studies. You can't become a lawyer based on it but it is a real masters degree. Maybe better than a MA in Religious Studies. On the other hand, an unaccredited EJD is usually worthless but could be OK for something if DETC accredited.

But I will go back to the main point - if no lawyers are associated with a law school, how can it be a law school?




barprephero

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2014, 11:13:22 PM »
1.  What grads are lawyers - you going to believe Novus? Reading for the law? With who, their mother?  Not likely.

2.  A regionally accredited EJD is not a scam, it is similar a MA in Legal Studies. You can't become a lawyer based on it but it is a real masters degree. Maybe better than a MA in Religious Studies. On the other hand, an unaccredited EJD is usually worthless but could be OK for something if DETC accredited.

But I will go back to the main point - if no lawyers are associated with a law school, how can it be a law school?
Are we talking staff or students? I don't know who is on their staff, but I thought I heard (somewhere once) that lawyers or even retired judges were somehow involved in it.

As for students, I don't know, but people do read for the law. There likely is at least one out there somewhere, and no I don't know who or where. And I'm not defending them, just saying that the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence there Watson.

EVEN IF they had licensed lawyers I would sure hope they'd use an ABA licensed attorney with experience. Be in it to win it, not to worry about people who already don't like you not like you more.

Novus is a scam though, not denying that. If you use their degree in many states you can get arrested. So............its kind of like a novelty life experience degree. You can own it, just not use it.

Serious Academic thought and question here related to that. Let's say (for purely academic purposes) that someone did sit the bar exam and pass by reading the law. They also have a JD from Novus. If they put "JD" on their lawyer business card is it legal to do so? Or would it be a character and fitness issue?

barprephero

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2014, 11:20:55 PM »
http://novuslegal.com/

I thought you might get a kick out of this. He appears to be a real attorney (albeit an online grad) who is taking advantage of the Novus name.
Makes you wonder if Novus will sue him?

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2014, 07:00:05 AM »
I don't see how using Novus would be an infringement and the guy is a T Jeff. grad:

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/288739

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2014, 07:07:20 AM »
Using JD on a business card w/out a law license depends on the state and intent.

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/tussle_over_titles/

Because jokers, disbarred attorneys, and wannabes often try the JD gambit, most lawyers stay away from listing the JD solely unless to disambiguate professional degrees they have as in addition to the JD:

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/4031944_1


barprephero

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2014, 11:02:18 AM »
Using JD on a business card w/out a law license depends on the state and intent.

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/tussle_over_titles/

Because jokers, disbarred attorneys, and wannabes often try the JD gambit, most lawyers stay away from listing the JD solely unless to disambiguate professional degrees they have as in addition to the JD:

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/4031944_1
All good points, but I was talking about the other extreme where you ARE licensed but not due to the JD and just happen to hold an unaccredited JD from a place like Novus.

barprephero

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2014, 11:03:18 AM »
I don't see how using Novus would be an infringement and the guy is a T Jeff. grad:

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/288739
Not sure why you gave the link. I assumed he was honest about being licensed.
Name infringement? People sue for far less (and win) daily.

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #58 on: December 18, 2014, 04:38:13 PM »
If you are an attorney and licensed and have a JD, if you want you put the JD after your name.  It would not matter where it is from. 

They would lose on an infringement lawsuit; there is little likelihood one would confuse a scam law school with a law firm. 


barprephero

Re: Touro College vs. Novus
« Reply #59 on: December 18, 2014, 07:13:58 PM »
If you are an attorney and licensed and have a JD, if you want you put the JD after your name.  It would not matter where it is from. 

They would lose on an infringement lawsuit; there is little likelihood one would confuse a scam law school with a law firm.

I dunno about the first part, Novus is listed in a lot of states as illegal to use period.

I'm not saying Novus would win on the second part, but people
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/lee-im-spike-spike-tv         have sued for less.