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jonlevy

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2012, 03:14:49 PM »
In reality how many Americans plan to move to another country to practice though?

You do not need to be resident to practice. You can fly in or apply the law of that jurisidiction as needed for clients.  Over 200 US licensed English solicitors are in the US.

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosingandusing/findasolicitor/action=lawfirmsearch.law?startrow=51&COUNTRY=UNITED STATES OF AMERICA&PANELMEM=&LAWFIRM=

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2012, 03:21:02 PM »
Ok, how many Americans who don't have the desire to go to an ABA school do you honestly expect to have the desire to do that though?

In reality how many Americans plan to move to another country to practice though?

You do not need to be resident to practice. You can fly in or apply the law of that jurisidiction as needed for clients.  Over 200 US licensed English solicitors are in the US.

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosingandusing/findasolicitor/action=lawfirmsearch.law?startrow=51&COUNTRY=UNITED STATES OF AMERICA&PANELMEM=&LAWFIRM=

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2012, 05:00:08 PM »
Here are the admission requirements for Washington State – http://www.wsba.org/Licensing-and-Lawyer-Conduct/Admissions/Bar-Exam-Admissions/Qualifications-for-Bar-Exam

For out of state lawyers, you …

“… may sit for the bar exam if you are admitted to the practice of law in any state or territory of the United States or District of Columbia, or you are admitted to the practice of law in any jurisdiction where the common law of England is the basis of its jurisprudence, and:
  • you can establish that you have active legal experience* for at least 3 of the 5 years immediately preceding the filing of the application;
  • you provide a certificate of good standing from the jurisdiction where you are admitted; and
  • you were admitted by examination in the other jurisdiction.

*‘Active legal experience’ means experience:
  • in the active practice of law; or
  • as a teacher at an ABA accredited law school; or
  • as a judge of a court of general or appellate jurisdiction; or
  • any combination of the above
in a state or territory of the U.S. or in the District of Columbia or in any jurisdiction where the common law of England is the basis of its jurisprudence.”

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2012, 05:25:33 PM »
I like the Washington rules on active legal experience since it does not tie one physically to practicing law in a particular jurisdiction physically.  These days, it is quite possible to be resident in a state and not licensed there and practicing Social Security or Immigration law which is tied to a nationwide federal practice.

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2012, 05:34:07 PM »
Ok, how many Americans who don't have the desire to go to an ABA school do you honestly expect to have the desire to do that though?


Why not since so many opportunities are closed to us in the US?
Those are common law jurisdictions and major jurisdictions for commerce and finance. 

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree (American Samoa)
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2012, 06:17:30 PM »
American Samoa looks possible if one is a member of the DC bar (California has no reciprocity) and the reciprocity rule is interpreted as trumping the Education rule.

RULE 137. EDUCATION. The applicant must demonstrate the necessary qualifications of learning and ability by proof of having been admitted to practice law before the highest court of record of a State or Territory of the United States or of a foreign country where the English common law forms substantially the basis of that country's jurisprudence, and where English is the language of instruction and practice in the courts of that jurisdiction; provided that such prior Bar admission was premised upon proof of graduation from an accredited law school and successful completion of a bar examination or of equivalent indicia of learning and ability.

Effective August 29, 1989

RULE 138. RECIPROCITY. The fact that an applicant has practiced for a period of 2 years or more before the highest court of record in a State, Territory of the United States, or of a foreign country where the English common law forms substantially the basis of that country's jurisprudence, where English is the language of instruction and practice in the courts of that jurisdiction, and which State, Territory, or country extends reciprocity to American Samoa is prima facie evidence of the applicant's fitness to practice law in American Samoa and to be admitted to the Bar on reciprocity, reserving to the Standing Committee the power to review such circumstances as might be necessary.

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2012, 06:26:46 PM »
Not saying a lawyer in general wouldn't seek work there, but if someone has that much ambition, why not take the ambition to get into an ABA school to begin with?

Ok, how many Americans who don't have the desire to go to an ABA school do you honestly expect to have the desire to do that though?


Why not since so many opportunities are closed to us in the US?
Those are common law jurisdictions and major jurisdictions for commerce and finance.

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2012, 06:59:54 PM »
Not saying a lawyer in general wouldn't seek work there, but if someone has that much ambition, why not take the ambition to get into an ABA school to begin with?

You have got to be kidding, right?  DL students have ten times more ambition, drive and experience than your average 23 year old ABA law school student.  You should stop drinking that ABA Kool Aid, next you will be telling me DL students go to DL schools because they can't get into a ABA school or are lazy?

People choose DL for a number of reasons including:

1.  They have a full-time job;
2.  They are precluded by geography from attending a ABA school.
3.  They have family responsibilites like children or elderly parents to take care of;
4.  They can't afford it.

Someone who cannot cut it academically at a ABA school is not going to pass the FYBE or the California Bar.

The whole point of this exercise is that once DL students pass the bar and begin their successful careers as attorneys they are denied for no good reason the same opportunities ABA graduates receive regardless of their merit.  We are looking opportunities here.

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2012, 07:08:29 PM »
I am looking into DL schools too, but the list of reasons why they couldn't go to an ABA school are the same reasons that would limit their ability to leave the nation.

Not saying a lawyer in general wouldn't seek work there, but if someone has that much ambition, why not take the ambition to get into an ABA school to begin with?

You have got to be kidding, right?  DL students have ten times more ambition, drive and experience than your average 23 year old ABA law school student.  You should stop drinking that ABA Kool Aid, next you will be telling me DL students go to DL schools because they can't get into a ABA school or are lazy?

People choose DL for a number of reasons including:

1.  They have a full-time job;
2.  They are precluded by geography from attending a ABA school.
3.  They have family responsibilites like children or elderly parents to take care of;
4.  They can't afford it.

Someone who cannot cut it academically at a ABA school is not going to pass the FYBE or the California Bar.

The whole point of this exercise is that once DL students pass the bar and begin their successful careers as attorneys they are denied for no good reason the same opportunities ABA graduates receive regardless of their merit.  We are looking opportunities here.

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Re: Where can you get admitted with California DL degree
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2012, 08:36:07 PM »
"I am looking into DL schools too, but the list of reasons why they couldn't go to an ABA school are the same reasons that would limit their ability to leave the nation"

Circumstances change with time .