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Who will win 2012 presidential election?

Paul
 2 (10.5%)
Romney
 5 (26.3%)
Obama
 10 (52.6%)
Gingrich
 0 (0%)
Nader
 2 (10.5%)

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fortook

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #50 on: January 18, 2012, 01:48:28 PM »
"Mormons are some of the biggest agribusiness operators in the country"?  Romney is a Mormon, therefore Romney is an agribusinessman?

"Anything that floats is a witch.  A duck floats, therefore a duck is a witch".

He does have relatives who are agribusiness people, but he himself is not.  I stated facts that did not paint Romney negatively (or positively, just facts man, if "venture capitalist" is anything it more likely negative), therefore I am a Romney supporter?  Meh. I think Romney is a two faced fool who will say whatever he thinks people want to hear, in other words: a lame ass- but that is neither here nor there.  You assume too much.

Of course the Patriot Act scares me- where did that come from?

You want a national I.D. program to dictate private contracts?  You want us to prove our citizenship every time we sign a contract?  Ouch.

However, while too general and unspecific to be very useful- "So called defenders of freedom are usually defenders of corporate profits first and foremost"- does make sense, everything else seems like talk to a standard character type you seem to think I am.  As such, I am forced to ask- "wtf, I never said or implied that" too often.
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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2012, 04:10:49 PM »
It is a shame that both evangelicals and the mainstream media want to make Romney's religion an issue.  You would think that in this day and age that would be irrelevent.

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2012, 07:07:11 PM »
Why wouldn't it "in this day"? It won't matter when people start allowing mormons to elected pope.

It is a shame that both evangelicals and the mainstream media want to make Romney's religion an issue.  You would think that in this day and age that would be irrelevent.

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2012, 07:09:53 PM »
ID's existed long before National Socialism.

Let any discussion go long enough and some one without question find a way to compare the other side someway to Hitler.
Never fails. Think of it like the Race Card on crack. (oops, someone might somehow find a racial issue in that too)

That argument has been going on for years.  Post WWII America was too afraid of the NAZIesque line any national I.D. (papers) would present.  It is creepy, to me and to many others.  It would not stop the illegal immigration "problem" because they already know how to successfully stay under the radar.

Any added process is always a burden on the poor.  This is how you want to use the gov to provide jobs, really?  Not infrastructure construction?  Not Americorps?  Not alliterative energy?  Not education?  Not senior centers?  Not food banks?

Romney is a venture capitalist, btw.  He buys dying companies for cheap and sells them for more.  He has no farms.  On that level, immigration is not relevant to him, personally.  It is to some of his fam.  It is to some of his supporters, but his position on immigrations is harsh, has been getting harsher as he has to appeal to the extreme elements of the new repub party.  Politically he has to slit the throats of illegal immigrants to appeal to the repub base, who incidentally hate illegal immigrants with a vigor that defies all reason.

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2012, 07:10:53 PM »
who said anything about "should have, would have, or could have"? Where are you getting any of that?

Shoulda, woulda, coulda!!! Really?  Its not about what's should be, its about what is-  What is practical and aware and ultimately functional.   Have I been wasting all my time writing with you about this?  We have gone over this and after all this writing I am no longer on the fence with this issue:

The push for voting I.D. is a means to change the voter pool in jurisdictions from Dem to Repub.  Its a shady political ploy to push out voters and influence elections.  If life were fair, the proponents of something so sinister wouldn't be permitted to vote because they are trying to deprive other of their ability to vote (but its not fair and nothing practical can be done).  The voter registration system is functional, fine and works.  WE DO NOT HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH VOTER FRAUD.  ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN'T VOTE. Why do you think we do?  The only major problems in recent history have been administrative mistakes, not fraud or even suspected fraud.

No, voters should not have to "prove" who they are with I.D.  A voter registration card is sufficient.  Thinking about this in this forum has put me on one clear side of this issue, where before I was undecided and truly hadn't given it much thought because it doesn't impact me (and maybe I even feel guilty for not taking the time to try and see it from the perspective of a poor person). Now I am clearly opposed to voter I.D.

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2012, 08:05:36 PM »
It is a shame that both evangelicals and the mainstream media want to make Romney's religion an issue.  You would think that in this day and age that would be irrelevent.

But it is an issue - look at all the crap the GOP shills threw at Obama about his Church?

LincolnLover

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2012, 08:11:36 PM »
That and the whole "secret muslim" thing with focus on the middle name and the graduation photo. (also religous based)

It is a shame that both evangelicals and the mainstream media want to make Romney's religion an issue.  You would think that in this day and age that would be irrelevent.

But it is an issue - look at all the crap the GOP shills threw at Obama about his Church?

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2012, 10:25:24 PM »
You are talking about what should be, could be or would be- not what IS in regards to what affects people and what resources are available (do you even understand that?).  That is where I got that, but don't worry its not very vital to anything.

I wasn't making a Hitler comparison, so much of the modern world was determined by what happened after WWII, including administrative stuff- like I.D.s.  History- that is one reason we find national I.D.s creepy, but that's neither here nor there and again not very vital- forget I said either.  Neither is important enough to explore on their own.
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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2012, 02:56:32 PM »
You mentioned having to prove you are a citizen is "creepy" you do know you have to have a SS# to most things anyways right? That's been around for a long time. Nothing new there.

You are talking about what should be, could be or would be- not what IS in regards to what affects people and what resources are available (do you even understand that?).  That is where I got that, but don't worry its not very vital to anything.

I wasn't making a Hitler comparison, so much of the modern world was determined by what happened after WWII, including administrative stuff- like I.D.s.  History- that is one reason we find national I.D.s creepy, but that's neither here nor there and again not very vital- forget I said either.  Neither is important enough to explore on their own.

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Re: Who will win 2012 presidential election?
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2012, 10:12:27 PM »
I guess all those Europeans with national IDs must have the wrong idea.