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No offense buddy, really, but you are very naively getting technical with what is or what's practical. Just because there is a law does not mean it is functional or everyone obeys or even knows about it or cares.No cop in inner city Baltimore is asking anyone for an I.D. If someone has the misfortune to be interacting with the police, they will be in jail in less than a half hour. Either a crime has been committed or the police suspect a serious crime has been committed. If you think homeless people carry I.D. to cater to the police you have never met a homeless person. Homeless person goals: its cold, I want to be warm; I'm hungry, I need to find food; I just got beat up, I need to go somewhere else; the rats are eating me while I sleep, I need to sleep of the ground..... Not once in the mind of anyone so desperate and destitute does the thought: "I should go get I.D. so if a cop asks I can show him", ever come to mind.Of course poor people in the ghetto aren't paying taxes on barter. Dude. They are bartering because they don't have the money to buy what they need. So yes is every poor person committing tax invasion on some level, yes. Will that be the new GOP agenda- poor people not paying taxes on a dresser traded for a chair? After their ability to vote is depleted, of course.I guess bottom line: what you seem to think is typical and common, isn't typical and common for everyone. A better question is: why do you think people should be asked for I.D. when voting, considering there is already a voter registration process in place and voter fraud is not a serious problem throughout the U.S. (fear of illegal immigrants having votes isn't enough, the current system stops that). Why stop there, should we pay taxes for the privilege of voting? Shouldn't their be a dress code? What about property, shouldn't only property owners vote? What about education? Criminal history? Employment status?
It is a crime in many states (even if just civil infraction) to not have a stae ID if a cop asks for it. Even if homeless sleeping on a park bench. If it's illegal to not have a state ID to begin with, then that should be factored in to the "fairness" of requiring it to vote.Besides the "why would they" argument, is like asking why they'd bother to pay taxes on said barter transactions. They won't but it's still a federal tax crime all the same.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda!!! Really? Its not about what's should be, its about what is- What is practical and aware and ultimately functional. Have I been wasting all my time writing with you about this? We have gone over this and after all this writing I am no longer on the fence with this issue:The push for voting I.D. is a means to change the voter pool in jurisdictions from Dem to Repub. Its a shady political ploy to push out voters and influence elections. If life were fair, the proponents of something so sinister wouldn't be permitted to vote because they are trying to deprive other of their ability to vote (but its not fair and nothing practical can be done). The voter registration system is functional, fine and works. WE DO NOT HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH VOTER FRAUD. ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS CAN'T VOTE. Why do you think we do? The only major problems in recent history have been administrative mistakes, not fraud or even suspected fraud.No, voters should not have to "prove" who they are with I.D. A voter registration card is sufficient. Thinking about this in this forum has put me on one clear side of this issue, where before I was undecided and truly hadn't given it much thought because it doesn't impact me (and maybe I even feel guilty for not taking the time to try and see it from the perspective of a poor person). Now I am clearly opposed to voter I.D.