Lol, had the U.S. found WMDs, the humanitarianism argument would never been needed or used. No WMDs were found by American or UN investigators. I don't think they even had chemical weapons anymore.
This grows more and more interesting as a topic of discussion...and it will never materialize as plumb and square...there are still those who don't believe that mass graves were dug for people in Germany during ww2...and some still think we should have left hitler and the nazis alone...are you aware of this? We entered the war unaware of the genocide expedited by the nazis.(oh man, aye hope this isn't another 'scale' thing for you.
Today, most people aye speak with think we did the right thing by joining ww2 and those former isolationists have faded. Yes, we killed people to save people....contradiction? Paradox?
Maybe aye am an evil cynic...but when aye understand that a regime or political group or a despot family or dictator has dug mass graves or is digging mass graves...aye pray ( and we indigos use our channels) that they meet justice or are thrown into their own grave....but if the us has no interest in the area where this debauchery takes place aye am sure some would say," so what". But with us interests there in mesopoetamia why not act? Act for selfish reasons...after all that is what the American people needed to hear. Hussein invaded Kuwait and we acted because of our interests.
Why didn't we continue to push on when Hussein invaded Kuwait? Fear of civil war there? Hussein and sons kept persia at bay? Bad politics for bush sr.? All of the above?
Do you remember Hussein launching missiles at Israel? Aye can't resist bringing it up again....apples and oranges make me laugh since they are both fruit and folks love that cliche...but here is a good cliche..."history repeats itself"... Scud missiles actually could kill many people but we took care of that right? What would happen when husseins sons would rise to power? Couldn't happen again, right? Impossible? Think again.
If Cheney had said we are going into Iraq to take out husseins sons aye would have been on board that vessel of thought...because "history repeats itself". Most people don't dwell on the reason why it was necessary to publish pictures of dead uday and quesay. Those two would be the next regime leaders and a full stop was necessary to quell fears....talk about pre-emptive and wrong...but one scenario, needless to show.
Hey, sometimes they comeback...that was the reason Hussein murdered battle age kurdish men in 1988...he was worried that one day the Kurds would kill him and become empowered to control their own land...one of the largest and deepest fossil fuel land deposits known on the planet. Aye guess that would be a reason Hussein wanted them all dead, right? Hussein was right...today they do control their own land...last month the Kurds interior minister met with Scotland's first minister. What?
Aye think some who thought going into Iraq was a bad idea don't want to see the good which came out of it...Kurdish success today would not be possible if bush jr. hadn't started asking Hussein to step down and with husseins refusal to exit... bush jr. engaged the tyrant with military operations
Aye think some who thought going into Iraq was a bad idea are upset that they were duped by an idiot like bush jr. with the weapons of mass destruction theory...frankly aye didn't care that they found no wmds...that is not why aye thought we should be re-activating military operations. Btw Hussein ruled with fear...that was his strength...he wasn't giving up on that bluff with weapons inspectors or the Clinton administration. It's not like Hussein was a threat to the region before. Right?
Aye'm sure some who think going into Iraq again was a bad idea after finding out that he had no wmds and don't think hussein or his sons would one day acquire wmds to use on Israel or Persia...or use them as a threat and take over Kuwait, Bahrain, or qatar....aye mean...why would his sons do anything like that?
Aye think some who thought going to Iraq was a bad idea are upset that they were duped into thinking that Hussein was behind 9/11.
Basically those who think going back into Iraq was a bad idea are upset that they were duped or think that bush jr was trying to dupe them or/and thought Hussein was no future threat to the region.
Based on a history going back o the late 60's there was enough brutality out of saddam hussein and his regime to see that he AND his sons had to be removed....he was but ONLY a threat to the region....He'd been appeased and beaten down but always got up....
Fortook, dictators like hitler, stalin, amin, qadaffi, and hussein were forces of mass destruction...it is up to the people left in the wake of their destructive annihilating agenda to rise from the ashes and become empowered....if the USA helped these people rise from the shadows of lumped mass graves to stand tall and overcome even in the smallest of ways then it was worth it to continue operations in Iraq...sorry to be cynical toward the naysayers but you guys will fade...just like the isolationists of ww2.
My friends who label themselves as progressives are mostly disappointed that w's 'surge' was successful...they don't want to hear that the Kurds are empowered because they can't say, "I told you so"...they are disappointed that w initiated re-deployment and draw down and not Obama...after almost 40 yrs in power and mass genocide and destruction they can't admit that Hussein was a WMD himself. They hypocritically rely on oil to travel and live comfortably but don't believe we should protect our supply interests more importantly the people who make that supply possible.
But here is the kicker...some are progressive socialists who think we should help the poor, give aid and comfort to the sick and dying, and advocate human rights but they don't want to hear about the genocide of the Kurds and the mass graves dug in mesopoetamia...aye've called them out on this one and tell them to close their eyes...they don't like it...but they are smart enough to know aye'm right. A dry wit helps.
Amazing, right? sometimes people are killed to save people.
Someone asked Cheney: 2/3rds of Americans say it's not worth fighting?
He says: "so?" because history is showing how that country is succeeding, particularly in the north.
Those who think it was not worth fighting are irrelevant now..so what? Deal done...as long as the Kurds continue to thrive those who believed in intervention will be relevant....
Isolationists from ww2 faded away....we're global now baby