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Please Remember After Today's LSAT
« on: December 11, 2010, 11:55:17 AM »
The Law School Admission Council (LSAC) understands and sympathizes with the anxiety that the LSAT causes test takers and their strong desire to discuss with their peers the questions that they have just taken on the LSAT. However, LSAC prohibits such discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. Certain LSATs are non-disclosed and their questions may be used again at a later administration of the test. And even in the case of disclosed tests there may be circumstances in which LSAC may need to administer a test form to some test takers somewhat later than to others. Discussion of test questions in a public forum like a website before the test is disclosed, even though its usefulness is limited by the memory and ability of the participants, makes information about that test widely available to anyone who has access to the web and may unfairly advantage test takers who see the discussion before they take the test. Since the number of admission slots in law schools is limited, such an unfair advantage could penalize those who took the test at an earlier time, including those very people engaging in the post-mortem discussion.

In an effort to ensure the fairness of the LSAT, LSAC requires test takers to sign a statement on the LSAT answer sheet saying that they agree not to “copy or retain examination questions or to transmit them to or discuss them with any other person in any form.” In addition, test takers sign a certification statement on the LSAT admission ticket agreeing that they have “no right to reproduce, recreate, distribute, or sell any of that test.” In this statement they also certify that they “understand that the Law School Admission Council reserves the right to pursue all suitable courses of action to prevent fraudulent or unauthorized use of its property and to prevent the compromise of secure test material.” Thus, test takers enter into a contract with LSAC that they will not discuss with others the test questions they have taken. In addition, LSAC’s “Instructions for the Day of the Test” state: “Legal action may be taken against anyone who removes test materials and/or reproduces test material in any way, or shares LSAT test content prior to LSAC’s disclosure of that test.”

If inappropriate public discussion of test questions on public websites reaches a point at which it threatens to undermine the fairness of the LSAT, injuring LSAT test takers, or at which it damages the value of non-disclosed LSAT test forms, LSAC would be compelled to take appropriate action to prevent such injury or damage. These actions could include reporting violators to the LSAC Misconduct Committee. Admission to the bar and the practice of law impose high standards of conduct and LSAC member law schools take very seriously the integrity of the candidates they admit.

LSAC does not seek to take special steps to enforce its prohibition on the inappropriate discussion of test questions. We would prefer that test takers recognize that compromising test questions before they have been disclosed by LSAC runs counter to the general interest of test takers in a fair testing process, as well as to the personal interest of those discussing the questions, and voluntarily refrain from discussing LSAT questions until after they have been disclosed to test takers by LSAC. However, we believe that we have an obligation to both our law school members and our test takers to protect the fairness and integrity of the LSAT and the law school admission process, and we take that obligation very seriously.

Jim Vaseleck
Executive Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel, LSAC

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Re: Please Remember After Today's LSAT
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2010, 05:23:36 PM »
Along the lines of the December LSAT, I don't complain about employees at their work, but there was a lot of cell phone rule breaking at my test site that wasn't enforced. Multiple people had cell phones and were only told to turn them off. One person's cell phone went off after the break during section 4 and it was only confiscated for the test. I thought bring a cell phone to the test site warranted automatic dismissal? I am not going to call and complain because I don't like to affect people's employments, but perhaps it should be stressed more firmly to the proctors that cell phones are STRICTLY prohibited.

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Re: Please Remember After Today's LSAT
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2010, 12:36:53 PM »
Along the lines of the December LSAT, I don't complain about employees at their work, but there was a lot of cell phone rule breaking at my test site that wasn't enforced. Multiple people had cell phones and were only told to turn them off. One person's cell phone went off after the break during section 4 and it was only confiscated for the test. I thought bring a cell phone to the test site warranted automatic dismissal? I am not going to call and complain because I don't like to affect people's employments, but perhaps it should be stressed more firmly to the proctors that cell phones are STRICTLY prohibited.

That sucks, sorry you had to endure the distractions.

Maybe this will sound like an 'old guy' rant, but I just cannot understand why people think they cannot or actually cannot live and function without a cell phone/all in one mobile iDevice in their hands whenever they leave home, not even for half of a Saturday when they know ahead of time where they are going and about what time they will be done.   

It's really not that hard to arrange for a ride and pick-up in advance if you don't drive yourself to the test center.  Nothing earth-shattering requiring your immediate attention is going to pop up on facebook or twitter that cannot wait until late afternoon or evening for your comments. 
   
I think you should lodge a test center complaint with LSAC about the lax proctors not enforcing the electronic device prohibition.  From what I know LSAC is putting a lot of resources and effort into quality control of test sites and proctors, but they only know of problems that need to be addressed if somebody tells them since they are not at the test sites and the proctors are contracted/hired by the test center.


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Re: Please Remember After Today's LSAT
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2010, 01:16:38 PM »


That sucks, sorry you had to endure the distractions.

Maybe this will sound like an 'old guy' rant, but I just cannot understand why people think they cannot or actually cannot live and function without a cell phone/all in one mobile iDevice in their hands whenever they leave home, not even for half of a Saturday when they know ahead of time where they are going and about what time they will be done.   

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That is so true. I don't know if you are in law school currently, but it is even more amazing that people need to check their facebook, twitter, cell phone in a class they are paying exorbitant amounts of money to attend. Maybe you and me just aren't cool enough, but almost nothing in my college or law school life happened during the hour and a half class sessions that needed immediate attention. I would usually keep my phone on silent and then check my phone after class. If I had a missed call or text I would respond to it when class finished. Sometimes I am so bold that I simply leave my cell phone at home, because I end will end up there later and again with these wild inventions of voice mail, text messages, etc I can respond at a time that is convenient.  I would also check my e-mail & facebook after class. I don't know how important it was for me to accept Jennifer or Joe's facebook friendship, but I figure they generally an hour for me to confirm.   Or shopping GOD! How many girls are just paroozing the internet during class to shop. Maybe stuff goes away after an hour I am not that fasionable, but I feel like it's not that important. It is so annoying, funny, and sad all at the time when I see people f***ing around on the internet in class.

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Re: Please Remember After Today's LSAT
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2010, 07:58:32 PM »
Hey guys,

I did actually call them today and will send in the official complaint via fax. These annoyances and rule breakings did cause me to become distracted a couple times and as both of you know, you need every second with the LSAT. I probably could have gotten a couple more answers right had this not happened. More importantly, such violations tend to get worse and not better if they're not addressed. So, I am doing this for the futute test takers. I feel badly because one thing I can say is that the proctors were nice people and made the environment seem not so stressful because they were friendly and joked a bit when they were giving instructions. I will also mention that in the letter (that they were good proctors as far as making people feel more at ease). In any case, I am pretty sure I am retaking in February. I just know that whatever my score is (which I am not going to even begin to speculate about) is not up to my ability Thanks for both of your input.  :)