I have been reading more about sovereign citizens. I read a few of the constitutional laws, UCC codes and other statutes they are referring to, and it appears that they inded do have a valid argument and the laws they are referring to are real. However, if the Judges do not want to honor their requests and they still issue traffic tickets, and they still have to pay their debt, and pay taxes, then they should just forget about it and pay the IRS, traffic tickets and fines. There are several highly educated people such as Attorneys who are "sovereign citizens', that are in prison right now for not paying their taxes after they tried to argue that they are sovereign citizens and the constitution of the United States says they do not have to pay. The Amish are allowed to live without social security cards and no help from the goverment. Amish have their own government inside a government. They do not have license plates and they have their own police station and Amiish court room, so then if they are allowed to denounce the government, then why can't another citizen do the same? If they allow the Amish, then they should allow all people. Personally, I think it is weird to give up your social security card. If you give up your social security card, then you do not get your retirement money when you get too old to work. Therefore; they will have no income. Also, what will happen if these people get robbed or murdered by one of their own sovereign citizen people? If they are not citizens of the United States, then they can not go to court and they have to be released, so then a murder will be loose in America so do it all over again. I also think it is weird and makes no sense that these people are cop killers. That is weird to kill a cop or a person just because they get stopped for a routine traffic stop. My research shows that most of these sovereign citizens are poor indigent people and lost their homes to foreclosure after they lost their jobs. A lot of them live in their hippi vans. They were looking for a way to pay their debt, and then they found the sovereign citizen group. Sounds like another cult, especially since they brainwash people into killing cops and other government workers. Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma city bomber, was a "sovereign citizen."
So you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home? You do know they are synonymous terms right? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)
Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.
Quote from: justanothersucker on November 15, 2011, 08:31:02 PMSo you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home? You do know they are synonymous terms right? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here. Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.
You really think that was a good legal argument don't you? Most of it wasn't even on topic kid. Oh, and if you are offended by a preference to lawstudents and lawyers over random self interpretation of the law based google searches...... maybe you shouldn't have come to a lawschool discussion forum dude. Quote from: calvinexpress on November 16, 2011, 01:15:08 AMQuote from: justanothersucker on November 15, 2011, 08:31:02 PMSo you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home? You do know they are synonymous terms right? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here. Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.
Quote from: justanothersucker on November 17, 2011, 12:26:42 PMYou really think that was a good legal argument don't you? Most of it wasn't even on topic kid. Oh, and if you are offended by a preference to lawstudents and lawyers over random self interpretation of the law based google searches...... maybe you shouldn't have come to a lawschool discussion forum dude. Quote from: calvinexpress on November 16, 2011, 01:15:08 AMQuote from: justanothersucker on November 15, 2011, 08:31:02 PMSo you don't want to be a lawyer, but then you list all the stuff an attorney can do from home? You do know they are synonymous terms right? (not counting "power of attorney" of course)I can tell you didn't read the whole post. I said, "for arguements sake". You must not be American. You also misunderstood another post on here. Furthermore, anybody can take a case to appeal to the supreme court. That is weird that you attack people on a public forum that appeal cases and take them to the supreme court. It is their right to take a case to the supreme court. I am offended that you would come on here and insult people that do so.Who are you talking to? I'm old enough to be your mother, and possibly your grandmother. Do not call me "dude" and a "kid". In fact. Get lost you uneducated weirdo freak, and stop stalking me and stop following me all over this forum and posting negative comments to every one of my posts. Go stalk somebody else and leave me alone.
yeah. Way to go there GrandMa.