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the white rabbit

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2010, 11:40:25 PM »
same thing. You ask, they tell. Many pay simular to military and yes many won't let you quit either.

So which civilian regulatory agencies are hiring lawyers that can't find jobs in the private sector, exactly?  I'm curious exactly who they are.
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« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2010, 11:43:22 PM »
Are you interested in doing it for work or just to be ass? If authenticly interested I might be willing to spoon feed this to you,but not if its a pissing contest.

As for "not able to find work in the civilian sector" thats arguably the majority of the military from E-1 up. Once in many gain skills that could let them find civilian work but choose to stay, but most at least to start don't have much to go with(officers degree, enlisted normally less)

same thing. You ask, they tell. Many pay simular to military and yes many won't let you quit either.

So which civilian regulatory agencies are hiring lawyers that can't find jobs in the private sector, exactly?  I'm curious exactly who they are.

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2010, 11:45:40 PM »
Are you interested in doing it for work or just to be ass? If authenticly interested I might be willing to spoon feed this to you,but not if its a pissing contest.

I'm genuinely curious which agencies these are.  I didn't realize we were engaged in a pissing contest.  If I had, I would have tried harder.  ???

I'm not asking about the JAG corps, since you've already said that you spoke to them specifically.
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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #83 on: April 20, 2010, 11:48:04 PM »
Its ok, sorry if I misunderstood. Hold one I'll post some(but not all, since A.I dont know it all B. I dont care enough to work an allnighter on this when I know you took at least one research class sometime in your life)
Give me a minute and I'll give you an example.

Are you interested in doing it for work or just to be ass? If authenticly interested I might be willing to spoon feed this to you,but not if its a pissing contest.

I'm genuinely curious which agencies these are.  I didn't realize we were engaged in a pissing contest.  If I had, I would have tried harder.  ???

I'm not asking about the JAG corps, since you've already said that you spoke to them specifically.

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2010, 11:49:47 PM »
Give me a minute and I'll give you an example.

Thanks.  :)

I'm also curious as to which civilian agencies won't let you quit.  I've never heard of that.
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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #85 on: April 20, 2010, 11:55:44 PM »

Job Title: Legal Assistant
Department: Department of the Treasury
Agency: Internal Revenue Service
Job Announcement Number: PH-10-JM-339113

SALARY RANGE: 41,325.00 - 66,111.00 USD /year
OPEN PERIOD: Saturday, April 17, 2010 to Friday, April 23, 2010
SERIES & GRADE: GS-0986-06
POSITION INFORMATION: Full TimeCareer/Career Conditional
PROMOTION POTENTIAL: 8
DUTY LOCATIONS: 1 vacancy - Oakland, CA
WHO MAY BE CONSIDERED: United States Citizens

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You must be able to pass a pre-employment structured interview in order to assess your customer service and oral communication skills.

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These positions are covered by a formal training plan and current IRS career or career conditional employees applying though this announcement may be entitled to retained pay IAW existing IRS pay policy. Entitlement to retained pay for current IRS employees will be reviewed by the personnel office & set IAW existing regualtions and guidelines.

NOTICE TO APPLICANTS: The Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA) has oversight and investigative responsibilities throughout IRS. TIGTA has authority to initiate investigations to identify IRS employees who have violated or are violating laws, rules or regulations related to the performance of their duties. TIGTA does this in part through computer matching programs.



HOW YOU WILL BE EVALUATED:


Once the application process is complete, a review of your resume and supporting documentation will be made and compared against your responses to the assessment questionnaire to determine if you are qualified for this job.  The numeric rating you receive is based on your responses to the questionnaire. The score is a measure of the degree to which your background matches the knowledge, skills, and abilities required for this position.  If, after reviewing your resume and or supporting documentation, a determination is made that you have inflated your qualifications and or experience, you may lose consideration for this position.  Please follow all instructions carefully. Errors or omissions may affect your rating.  You will be rated in the following areas:

Knowledge of the evaluation of transfer tax returns
Skill researching legal issues and communicating your findings orally and in writing



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BENEFITS:
Benefits:  The Federal Government offers a comprehensive benefits package.  Explore the major benefits offered to most Federal employees at http://www.usajobs.gov/EI/benefits.asp.  



OTHER INFORMATION:
1.  If you are a veteran with preference eligibility and you are claiming 5-points veterans' preference, you must submit a copy of your DD-214 or other proof of eligibility. If you are claiming 10-point veterans' preference, you must also submit an SF-15, "Application for 10-Point Veterans' Preference" plus the proof required by that form.  For more information on veterans’ preference see http://www.fedshirevets.gov/.


2.  Males born after 12-31-59 must be registered or exempt from Selective Service (see www.sss.gov ).

 

3.  Interagency Career Transition Assistance Program (ICTAP):  For information on how to apply as an ICTAP eligible see http://www.opm.gov/rif/employee_guides/career_transition.asp#ictap.  To be well-qualified and exercise selection priority for this vacancy, displaced Federal employees must be rated at 80 or above on the rating criteria for this position.  

4.  If you need a reasonable accommodation for any part of the application and hiring process, please contact the Selective Placement Coordinator Millie Ouellette at (978) 474-5720.

5.  Under Executive Order 11935, only United States citizens and nationals (residents of American Samoa and Swains Island) may compete for civil service jobs.   Applicants for this announcement must provide proof of U.S. Citizenship at the time they attend a fingerprint session.  Applicants who fail to provide this proof will not be considered for employment until acceptable documents have been provided to the employing office. Acceptable documents to prove citizenship are: Certified Birth Certificate (if born in the U.S. or U.S. Territory); U.S. Passport;    Certification of Birth Abroad FS-  545 or DS-1350; U.S. Citizen Identification Card I-197;      Identification Card for Use of Resident Citizen in the U.S. I-179; Citizenship Certificate;        Naturalization Certificate; and/or State Department Form 240.




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HOW TO APPLY:
To apply for this position, you must provide a complete Application Package which includes:

 

1. Your Résumé

2. A complete Assessment Questionnaire

3. Other supporting documents:

         - Veterans Preference Documentation, if applicable

   - College transcript(s), if qualifying based on education

  

The complete Application Package must be submitted by 11:59 PM (EST) on Friday, April 23, 2010.

 

To begin the process, click the Apply Online button to create an account or log in to your existing USAJOBS account. Follow the prompts to complete the assessment questionnaire. Please ensure you click the Submit My Answers button at the end of the process.

 

Note: To return to a previously Saved or Incomplete application you may use the following link: https://applicationmanager.gov/.

 

To fax supporting documents you are unable to upload, complete this cover page http://staffing.opm.gov/pdf/usascover.pdf using the following Vacancy ID PH339113.  Fax your documents to 1-478-757-3144.

 

If you cannot apply online:

Click the following link to view and print the assessment questionnaire View Occupational Questionnaire, and
Print this 1203FX form to provide your response to the assessment questionnaire http://www.opm.gov/forms/pdfimage/opm1203fx.pdf and
Fax the completed 1203FX form along with any supporting documents to 1-478-757-3144. Your 1203FX will serve as a cover page for your fax transmission.


REQUIRED DOCUMENTS:
The following documents are required and must be received by the closing date of this announcement:

 Assessment Questionnaire for PH339113
  Resume
  Transcript(s), if qualifying based on education
   Veterans Preference Documentation, if applicable
 

 



AGENCY CONTACT INFO:
Philadelphia Services Branch
Phone: (215)861-3074
Email: philadelphia@opm.gov  Agency Information:
Philadelphia Services Branch
US Office of Personnel Management
600 Arch Street
Philadelphia, PA 19106



WHAT TO EXPECT NEXT:
Once the online questionnaire is received you will receive an acknowledgement email that your submission was successful. Based upon your score, you may be referred to the hiring official. If your name is referred to the hiring official, you may be contacted directly by that office for a possible interview.  You will receive notice via email or by mail, if no email address was provided by you during the application process, once this process is completed (generally 4-6 weeks).


The IRS utilizes email to contact referred applicants regarding the submission of additional documentation and forms integral to the hiring process.  Failure to respond and return any necessary documentation or forms may disqualify you from further consideration for the position.  It is your responsibility to monitor your email and/or turn off any spam filters so that these messages may be receive.


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cooleylawstudent

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2010, 11:56:52 PM »
as to the not letting you quit that true anytime you sign a number of years contract. Civilian contractors see it the most, but in theory it applies to all jobs. Civilians more likely to get sued, military go to jail.

Give me a minute and I'll give you an example.

Thanks.  :)

I'm also curious as to which civilian agencies won't let you quit.  I've never heard of that.

the white rabbit

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #87 on: April 20, 2010, 11:59:16 PM »
as to the not letting you quit that true anytime you sign a number of years contract. Civilian contractors see it the most, but in theory it applies to all jobs. Civilians more likely to get sued, military go to jail.

Okay so it's not quite like the military.  I thought you were saying that there were comparable situations.

That IRS position still looks like it requires an application process that's competitive.  Doesn't really look like it's a last-resort job.
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cooleylawstudent

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #88 on: April 21, 2010, 12:00:22 AM »
Here is another good one. This one is lawyer specific.Don't let "coast guard" fool you, its their civilian employees. Army has the same deal. You don't have to be military to work for the military.

Coast Guard Legal
Career Resources


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Careers in Coast Guard legal are divided in two general categories; Military and Civilian.


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Civilian

Coast Guard civilian job openings are listed by the Coast Guard Civilian Personnel Office.
Coast Guard Civilian legal positions include Lawyers and Paralegals. Typically these job openings will be listed under the following series codes:

Series Description
0905
 General Attorney
 
0950
 Paralegal Specialist
 

Using the above series codes to search the USCG's civilian job openings is a fast way to locate new civilian CG Legal job openings

 
 

the white rabbit

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Re: Do NOT go to law school (a sincere warning)
« Reply #89 on: April 21, 2010, 12:05:16 AM »
Fair enough.  A lawyer who's in one of these areas probably has a better chance of getting back into a full-time lawyer position than someone who is, as you said earlier, just delivering pizza.  That having been said, they're probably still less competitive than the folks who have been working full-time as lawyers without a break, don't you think?  (I am talking about the ones taking legal-related but not lawyer positions, so not JAG.)
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