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US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« on: April 13, 2010, 04:28:20 PM »
So, the newest rankings are out.  What are your thoughts?




The Top 100:

1. Yale
2. Harvard
3. Stanford
4. Columbia
5. U. of Chicago
6. NYU
7. UC Berkeley
7. U. Pennsylvania
9. U. Michigan
10. U. Virginia
11. Duke
11. Northwestern
13. Cornell
14. Georgetown
15. UCLA
15. U. Texas
17. Vanderbilt
18. USC
19. Washington University in St. Louis
20. George Washington
21. U. Illinois
22. Boston U.
22. Emory University
22. U. Minnestoa
22. Notre Dame
26. U. Iowa
27. Indiana U.-Bloomington
28. Boston College
28. Willaim and mary
28. UC Davis
28. U. Georgia
28. U. North Carolina
28. U. Wisconsin-Madison
34. Fordham
34. Ohio State
34. U. Washingon
34. Washington and Lee
38. Arizona State
38. U. Alabama
38. U. Colorado-Boulder
38. Wake Forest
42. BYU
42. George Mason
42. U. Arizona
42. UC Hastings
42. U. Utah
47. U. Florida
48. American University
48. SMU
48. Tulane
48. U. Maryland
52. Pepperdine
52. Yeshiva
54. Florida State University
54. U. Connecticut
56. Case Western
56. Loyola Marymount
56. U. Cincinnati
56. U. San Diego
60. Georgia State
60. U. Houston
60. U. Miami
60. U. Tennessee
64. Baylor
64. Lewis and Clark
64. U. Kentucky
67. Brooklyn Law School
67. U. Kansas
67. U. New Mexico
67. U. Pittsburg
67. Villanova
72. Pennsylvania State
72. Seton Hall
72. St. John's
72. Temple
72. U. Hawaii
72. U. Oklahoma
78. Loyola (Chicago)
78. U. Nevada-Las Vegas
80. Illinois IT
80. Louisiana State
80. Rutgers (Camden)
80. Rutgers (Newark)
80. U. Denver
80. U. Oregon
86. Hofstra
86. Indiana U-Indianapolis
86. Northeastern U.
86. Seattle U.
86. Syracuse
86. U. Arkansas-Fayetteville
86. U. Richmond
93. Chapman U.
93. Santa Clara U.
93. U. Missouri
93. U. Nebraska-Lincoln
93. West Viginia U.
98. Catholic University
98. DePaul U.
98. U. San Francisco
98. U. of the Pacific
98. William Mitchell College of Law

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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2010, 05:23:17 PM »
BULL! Here's the only rankings that count! You here that Berkeley, you suck!
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Judging the Law Schools - Overall Rankings 2008
SCHOOL 2008 2007
Harvard University
 1 (1)
Georgetown University  2 (2)
New York University 3 (6)
University of Virginia  4 (4)
University of Texas 5 (3)
University of Michigan 6 (9)
Northwestern University 7 (5)
Columbia University  8 (7)
Yale Law School 9 (8)
George Washington University  10 (11)
University of Minnesota 11 (9)
Thomas M. Cooley Law School  12 (16)
Fordham University 13 (15)
University of California-Los Angeles  14 (13)
American University 15 (14)
University of Pennsylvania 16 (12)
University of California-Hastings 17 (18)
Stanford University 18 (19)
University of Maryland  19 (29)
University of California-Berkeley 20 (17)
 
Loyola Law School  21 (23)
Temple University  22 (25)
Brooklyn Law School  23 (20)
University of Wisconsin 24 (21)
Boston University  25 (22)
University of Miami  26 (27)
Duke University  27 (24)
Washington University  28 (30)
Chicago-Kent College of Law  29 (28)
University of Houston 30 (26)
 
University of Chicago  31 (38)
Emory University 32 (44)
University of Connecticut  33 (36)
University of Iowa  34 (32)
Suffolk University 35 (39)
Indiana University-Bloomington 36 (37)
SMU Dedman School of Law  37 (40)
Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law  38 (43)
Boston College  39 (31)
Ohio State University 40 (40)
 
University of Alabama  41 (51)
Seton Hall University 42 (35)
Vanderbilt University 43 (57)
University of North Carolina  44 (38)
Cornell Law School 45 (34)
Catholic University 46 (59)
Tulane University 47 (42)
University of Illinois  48 (41)
University of Denver  49 (63)
University of San Diego 50 (49)

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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2010, 05:33:50 PM »
I would caution people not to read too much into single-year rankings.

So when do the new Cooley rankings come out this year smiley faced guy? I do have a special place in my heart for any rankings that puts GULC at #2 :)
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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2010, 05:37:56 PM »
I would caution people not to read too much into single-year rankings.

So when do the new Cooley rankings come out this year smiley faced guy? I do have a special place in my heart for any rankings that puts GULC at #2 :)

Agreed, last year's placement of GW at 27 proved to be the fluke that it clearly was.

ITE, if you aren't top 10, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.  Glad I summered before the *&^% hit the fan.

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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2010, 09:36:53 PM »
Where'd you "summer" to? Why you keep pooing in fans? Personally I prefer to piss into the wind.  ;D

I would caution people not to read too much into single-year rankings.

So when do the new Cooley rankings come out this year smiley faced guy? I do have a special place in my heart for any rankings that puts GULC at #2 :)

Agreed, last year's placement of GW at 27 proved to be the fluke that it clearly was.

ITE, if you aren't top 10, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.  Glad I summered before the poo hit the fan.

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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2010, 11:36:30 AM »
Hummm both Villanova and Temple went down?!! grrr. but everyone was saying Villanova with that new pricy school was going to dominate...i guess not...jaja
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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2010, 11:45:54 AM »
Outside of the top 25 employers could care less about the rank.  I really don't see why schools care.  Either you are in the "in" group or you aren't.  And even being in doesn't help much these days.

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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2010, 11:57:35 AM »
i agree it is nothing more than bragging rights now adays... economy sux...haha
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Re: US NEWS RANKINGS leak (2011)
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 11:58:23 AM »
Isn't that kind of like saying if you can't date a supermodel then who cares who you wake up next to? Gotta tell ya man, I'd rather wake up next to #25(unemployed but still hot and only one kid) vs #100(300 pounds, still commonlaw married to a felon named "leeroy" and her livein adult son watching this whole time yelling an odd mix of insult and encouragment).  

Outside of the top 25 employers could care less about the rank.  I really don't see why schools care.  Either you are in the "in" group or you aren't.  And even being in doesn't help much these days.

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« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2010, 12:21:05 AM »
Yea rankings are the most important thing I see that Gonzaga and Maine are no longer in the top 100 and I heard the all the professors immediately turned into flesh eating zombies. Then Everyone that ever graduated from those schools was immediately fired and had their membership to the bar revoked.  That is just how important the rankings are.

I also like how they give 10 schools the same rank. 5 ranked #98, 5 schools ranked #93, 6 schools ranked #86, 6 schools ranked #80, only 2 ranked #78, 6 ranked #72, 5 ranked #67, 3 ranked #68, 4 ranked #60 and the list continues at least the Cooley rankings have the balls to give each school a number even if it is based on how many chairs each school has at least you can measure that.

The sheer ridiculousness of the rankings amazes me it is the most brilliant scheme of all time. U.S. News just came up with a ranking based on a formula which makes absolutely no sense. It is about 80% based on pure subjective feelings of unidentified individuals. If you look at the formula the most importatn consideration that any law school has is the LEAST important in the U.S. news rankings and that is bar passage rate. The bar passage rate makes up %2 of a schools U.S News ranking.  So a school could techncially be number #1 in the U.S. rankings and have a 0% bar passage rate. Since bar passage makes up only %2 of your ranking.  Really take a second to look at how U.S. News comes up with the rankings it is amazing how idiotic the formula is. As a result of it being so stupid every official law school organization. ABA, LSAC, AALS all adamantly refuse to acknowledge the rankings and have given nothing, but their utter disapproval of the rankings and each of their websites has a disclaimer on saying ignore the rankings, because they are irrelevant.

Common sense will tell you Harvard is a better school than Williamette, I hope if you are considering law school you are smart enough to know that. However, distinguishing between Florida International University and California Western really does not matter. Honestly, to anyone considering law school do not take these rankings seriously. Use common sense when choosing your school of course, but do not base your decision on these idiotic rankings.  Especially since they will change dramatically every year you can be a tier 2 one year then a tier 4 the next. USF has made another drastic drop I see although they made a drastic rise last year. To show the complete unpredictability (unreliablity) of the rankings look at USF's rank over the last 4 yeras   years in 2008 They were 72 in 2009 they went to tier 3 which means 100-something in 2010 they went to 78 I think and now they are to 98. That is just one example of how unpredictable and unreliable the rankings are.  I can't imagine what has really changed at USF over those 4 years to warrant that kind of deviation, but I am sure nothing changed at all. U.S. News is just a complete joke and really don't take them seriously.