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Re: St Mary's School of Law
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2010, 01:08:37 AM »
I attend St. Mary's University School of Law, so let me fill you in on what I think.

St. Mary's has been in a rough patch for about 15 years.  However, the school has seen a lot of it's problems disappear the last few years.  The school has a great bit of momentum, and here's why:

Jobs

We're seeing some incredible job opportunities being offered to St. Mary's students.  Two people on the Law Journal will be clerking at the Texas Supreme Court next year.  The Editor in Chief got a job with Cox Smith, which is the largest firm in San Antonio.  A 2L was just accepted into the summer program at Fulbright.  Another 3L will be a briefing attorney at the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals next year.  All in all, people are landing killer jobs.

Opportunities

You can judge a lot of law schools by four criteria: Journals, Advocacy Programs, Internship Opportunities, and Professors.  I'll discuss each of these in turn below.

Let me also add, though, that we have the only Terrorism Law Center in the country.  Professor Addicott, the center's director, is constantly on news programs discussing issues related to terrorism (http://www.stmarytx.edu/ctl/).

Additionally, there are two amazing study abroad programs.  At the Innsbruck Institute on World Legal Problems, you will study under a U.S. Supreme Court justice in Austria.  No kidding.  St. Mary's also just added the Institute on Chinese Law and Business.  The China program will help students prepare to represent clients who are doing business in China.

See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=innsBruckProgram and http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=instituteChineseLawBusiness .

I should also mention that St. Mary's was selected to webcast the oral arguments heard before the Texas Supreme Court.  You can check them out on our website.

Journals

It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.  That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.  The students that work on the Journal are sharp, and among the brightest you could hope to hire.  The Journal is also partially supported by prestigious and supportive alumni.

Additionally, St. Mary's has another law review specifically for minority issues called The Scholar.  The Scholar is the 8th most cited out of 44 minority issues journals.  The Scholar continues to gain prominence and, like the Journal, has an excellent editorial staff.

Advocacy Programs

The advocacy programs (Mock Trial, Moot Court, Negotiations, Arbitration) are top-notch and consistently best some of the top teams in the country.  We're a practitioner's school, and our advocacy programs reflect that commitment.  See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=advocacyPrograms#externalAdvocacy to see the winning record of our advocacy teams.

We also host the annual Lone Star Classic.  It's a mock trial tournament with teams from all around the country.  Students, even those who aren't involved in the advocacy program, join in to help put on the whole thing.

And if you haven't seen our new mock court room, it's a must-visit.  The technology is astounding.  The advocacy teams practice in it, and courts Texas Fourth Court of Appeals and the Federal Fifth Circuit often hold their oral arguments in the court room so that students can watch.

Internship Opportunities

Plenty of people work at the DA's office (with pay), etc.  But the real gems of St. Mary's are the judicial internships.  St. Mary's students are selected each semester to work at several courts, including the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals.  These opportunities are priceless.  You will not have as good of an opportunity to work for the Fifth Circuit as you do at St. Mary's.

Professors

I cannot express how grateful I am to have had the professors I've had at St. Mary's.  They are incredibly gifted, unique people with immensely impressive backgrounds.  They also have unique, memorable personalities.  John Teeter, a torts professor, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law.  I will never forget my first-year torts experience with him.  Aloysius Leopold is the Texas Property man.  The man practically wrote the Texas Property Code.  Vincent Johnson graduated from Yale Law, and teaches torts, professional responsibility, and other classes.  He's a true "scholar" in every sense of the word.  I could go on and on.  Flint, Kauffman, Liu, Rice, and many more.  Professor David Schlueter was a JAG officer.  You will truly learn evidence from this man.  He's also incredibly well-connected and is well-regarded by the legal community.

All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong.

Oh, and did I mention how great the law school community is?  We're a tight-knit bunch.  You should come give us a visit.  Good luck making your decisions.

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Re: St Mary's School of Law
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2010, 07:08:42 PM »
I attend St. Mary's University School of Law, so let me fill you in on what I think.

St. Mary's has been in a rough patch for about 15 years.  However, the school has seen a lot of it's problems disappear the last few years.  The school has a great bit of momentum, and here's why:

Jobs

We're seeing some incredible job opportunities being offered to St. Mary's students.  Two people on the Law Journal will be clerking at the Texas Supreme Court next year.  The Editor in Chief got a job with Cox Smith, which is the largest firm in San Antonio.  A 2L was just accepted into the summer program at Fulbright.  Another 3L will be a briefing attorney at the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals next year.  All in all, people are landing killer jobs.

Opportunities

You can judge a lot of law schools by four criteria: Journals, Advocacy Programs, Internship Opportunities, and Professors.  I'll discuss each of these in turn below.

Let me also add, though, that we have the only Terrorism Law Center in the country.  Professor Addicott, the center's director, is constantly on news programs discussing issues related to terrorism (http://www.stmarytx.edu/ctl/).

Additionally, there are two amazing study abroad programs.  At the Innsbruck Institute on World Legal Problems, you will study under a U.S. Supreme Court justice in Austria.  No kidding.  St. Mary's also just added the Institute on Chinese Law and Business.  The China program will help students prepare to represent clients who are doing business in China.

See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=innsBruckProgram and http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=instituteChineseLawBusiness .

I should also mention that St. Mary's was selected to webcast the oral arguments heard before the Texas Supreme Court.  You can check them out on our website.

Journals

It's overlooked, but St. Mary's has consistently had one of the top 15 most cited law journals in the country.  That means it ranks among the very best and most influential journals.  The students that work on the Journal are sharp, and among the brightest you could hope to hire.  The Journal is also partially supported by prestigious and supportive alumni.

Additionally, St. Mary's has another law review specifically for minority issues called The Scholar.  The Scholar is the 8th most cited out of 44 minority issues journals.  The Scholar continues to gain prominence and, like the Journal, has an excellent editorial staff.

Advocacy Programs

The advocacy programs (Mock Trial, Moot Court, Negotiations, Arbitration) are top-notch and consistently best some of the top teams in the country.  We're a practitioner's school, and our advocacy programs reflect that commitment.  See http://www.stmarytx.edu/law/index.php?site=advocacyPrograms#externalAdvocacy to see the winning record of our advocacy teams.

We also host the annual Lone Star Classic.  It's a mock trial tournament with teams from all around the country.  Students, even those who aren't involved in the advocacy program, join in to help put on the whole thing.

And if you haven't seen our new mock court room, it's a must-visit.  The technology is astounding.  The advocacy teams practice in it, and courts Texas Fourth Court of Appeals and the Federal Fifth Circuit often hold their oral arguments in the court room so that students can watch.

Internship Opportunities

Plenty of people work at the DA's office (with pay), etc.  But the real gems of St. Mary's are the judicial internships.  St. Mary's students are selected each semester to work at several courts, including the Federal Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and the Texas Fourth Court of Appeals.  These opportunities are priceless.  You will not have as good of an opportunity to work for the Fifth Circuit as you do at St. Mary's.

Professors

I cannot express how grateful I am to have had the professors I've had at St. Mary's.  They are incredibly gifted, unique people with immensely impressive backgrounds.  They also have unique, memorable personalities.  John Teeter, a torts professor, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law.  I will never forget my first-year torts experience with him.  Aloysius Leopold is the Texas Property man.  The man practically wrote the Texas Property Code.  Vincent Johnson graduated from Yale Law, and teaches torts, professional responsibility, and other classes.  He's a true "scholar" in every sense of the word.  I could go on and on.  Flint, Kauffman, Liu, Rice, and many more.  Professor David Schlueter was a JAG officer.  You will truly learn evidence from this man.  He's also incredibly well-connected and is well-regarded by the legal community.

All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong.

Oh, and did I mention how great the law school community is?  We're a tight-knit bunch.  You should come give us a visit.  Good luck making your decisions.

None of the above address the issue an average St. Mary graduate will face after graduation.  You mentioned about how some of them end up getting jobs at big firm, working for judge, etc., however, you have to understand that top students are the crappiest school in the country still get top jobs. 

Let's talk about its average graduates compare to graduates from UH, South Texas, etc. 

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Re: St Mary's School of Law
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2010, 11:44:25 PM »
I beg to differ.  My "average" friends are landing great internships, opportunities, and jobs.  I think your opinion about St. Mary's is outdated and second-hand at best.  Things have been changing at a quick clip.  I just landed two killer internships this summer, so I'm living proof of our progress.

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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2010, 12:32:36 AM »
I think I agree with you.  St. Mary's has had it's share of problems in the past, but it has made great strides recently.  I know many students, from all different ranks, who are acquiring top jobs and internships--at least, the pro-active ones.  There are many prominent alumni in big law firms like Cox, Smith, and Matthews, Jackson Walker, Fulbright & Jaworski, in the Texas Supreme Court, the Court of Criminal Appeals, the Courts of Appeals, the U.S. Senate, the Texas legislature (not to mention all of the staff positions that accompany each). These alumni associate and reach out to St. Mary's students and graduates for jobs and internships.  I, as well as several of my friends, have experienced the benefits of this close-knit network.

Another thing I think needs to be emphasized is the school's reputation within it's surrounding community.  St. Mary's students and alumni have created several clinics to regularly provide the citizens of San Antonio and even Laredo with free legal services for those who are unable to pay for an attorney.

I think St. Mary's reputation is much better than most people will admit. Perhaps its reputation is outdated, but more importantly, I think its reputation is hampered by rumors that no one really puts to rest.  I would encourage anyone considering St. Mary's to come visit the campus, talk to its students and faculty (they are all pretty friendly and helpful) and see it what it has to offer first hand.  I think you will be surprised.

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Re: St Mary's School of Law
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2010, 11:04:44 AM »
I think I agree with you.  St. Mary's has had it's share of problems in the past, but it has made great strides recently.  I know many students, from all different ranks, who are acquiring top jobs and internships--at least, the pro-active ones.  There are many prominent alumni in big law firms like Cox, Smith, and Matthews, Jackson Walker, Fulbright & Jaworski, in the Texas Supreme Court, the Court of Criminal Appeals, the Courts of Appeals, the U.S. Senate, the Texas legislature (not to mention all of the staff positions that accompany each). These alumni associate and reach out to St. Mary's students and graduates for jobs and internships.  I, as well as several of my friends, have experienced the benefits of this close-knit network.

Another thing I think needs to be emphasized is the school's reputation within it's surrounding community.  St. Mary's students and alumni have created several clinics to regularly provide the citizens of San Antonio and even Laredo with free legal services for those who are unable to pay for an attorney.

I think St. Mary's reputation is much better than most people will admit. Perhaps its reputation is outdated, but more importantly, I think its reputation is hampered by rumors that no one really puts to rest.  I would encourage anyone considering St. Mary's to come visit the campus, talk to its students and faculty (they are all pretty friendly and helpful) and see it what it has to offer first hand.  I think you will be surprised.

You obviously work for or is/was a student at St. Mary.

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Re: St Mary's School of Law
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2010, 12:09:49 PM »
I beg to differ.  My "average" friends are landing great internships, opportunities, and jobs.  I think your opinion about St. Mary's is outdated and second-hand at best.  Things have been changing at a quick clip.  I just landed two killer internships this summer, so I'm living proof of our progress.

This statement is simply an embellishment.  Name some paying legal jobs that an average St. Mary's Law student has.  One of my friends that is currently at St. Mary's Law school was begging me for an unpaid legal internship yesterday.  Although things may have changed at St. Mary's, you are stretching the truth.

Whoever reads this thread, please note that the original poster is either (1) an employee of St. Mary's Law or (2) a student/alumnus trolling to boost St. Mary's reputation rankings.

If you truly want to know whether law school is for you, I suggest going here:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3203215

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Re: St Mary's School of Law
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2010, 05:20:28 PM »

Whoever reads this thread, please note that the original poster is either (1) an employee of St. Mary's Law or (2) a student/alumnus trolling to boost St. Mary's reputation rankings.


I beat you to it.  See my post above yours. 

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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2010, 09:04:45 PM »

I beat you to it.  See my post above yours.  

You sure did... sorry about that.  At any rate, it's good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that this guy is trying to grossly mislead prospective students.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2010, 11:54:02 AM »

I beat you to it.  See my post above yours.  

You sure did... sorry about that.  At any rate, it's good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that this guy is trying to grossly mislead prospective students.

 I fail to see how your opinion is somehow worth more than mine. Prospective students deserve to hear more than just one perspective. I'm not trying to mislead anyone and to make such a suggestion is just plain incorrect, and I resent that statement. It's time to let go of preconceived notions about St. Mary's and accept the fact that this is not the same school it was several years ago.

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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2010, 02:04:09 PM »
I fail to see how your opinion is somehow worth more than mine. Prospective students deserve to hear more than just one perspective. I'm not trying to mislead anyone and to make such a suggestion is just plain incorrect, and I resent that statement. It's time to let go of preconceived notions about St. Mary's and accept the fact that this is not the same school it was several years ago.

I don't take issue with your characterization of St. Mary's as a different school than it was in years past.  What I do take issue with, however, is roblaw's citing of particular job prospects in his original post which would not be legitimate prospects for anyone below the top 10-15 students at St. Mary's. Not only was this specific post misleading, but he continues: "My 'average' friends are landing great internships, opportunities, and jobs [from St. Mary's Law]."  To this I simply responded that one of my friends, a slightly-above-average student at St. Mary's law, came begging for any type of internship within the last week.  I simply don't believe the job prospects are quite as bright as roblaw imagines - that is all.

Read this and then tell me with a straight face that this is not misleading:  
Quote from: roblaw
"All in all, St. Mary's has some incredible momentum behind it.  With top Journals, extremely well-regarded professors, the best judicial internships in the state, the ability to study under a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, and top advocacy programs, you cannot go wrong."

I'll tell you how you can go wrong... by taking on significant debt (~$30K/yr.* 3 = $90K) and not being within the top 10-15 students at St. Mary's.