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Do Employers Really Look At The Rankings Like We Think They Do?

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hooloovoo:

--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 01:47:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: hooloovoo on August 10, 2009, 01:36:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 11:27:57 AM ---I know it's conventional wisdom that they do. 

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i actually don't think this is the conventional wisdom.

employer behavior drives the rankings.  rankings do not drive employer behavior.

in general, anyway.

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Okay.  How would you reconcile or further your view with the other arguments that say that rank and tier determines employer-related opportunity prospects for graduates and students?  Is the determination really that unilateral?

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an analogy: cars don't get a particular mileage because the EPA says that they do.  they get a particular mileage based on completely different factors, and then the EPA gives them labels saying that they get particular mileages.

same thing with schools: the rank and tier doesn't determine the employment opportunities.  other factors determine the employment opportunities, and the rankings just categorize them according to what these opportunities look like.

vansondon:

--- Quote from: hooloovoo on August 10, 2009, 02:16:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 01:47:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: hooloovoo on August 10, 2009, 01:36:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 11:27:57 AM ---I know it's conventional wisdom that they do. 

--- End quote ---

i actually don't think this is the conventional wisdom.

employer behavior drives the rankings.  rankings do not drive employer behavior.

in general, anyway.

--- End quote ---

Okay.  How would you reconcile or further your view with the other arguments that say that rank and tier determines employer-related opportunity prospects for graduates and students?  Is the determination really that unilateral?

--- End quote ---

an analogy: cars don't get a particular mileage because the EPA says that they do.  they get a particular mileage based on completely different factors, and then the EPA gives them labels saying that they get particular mileages.

same thing with schools: the rank and tier doesn't determine the employment opportunities.  other factors determine the employment opportunities, and the rankings just categorize them according to what these opportunities look like.

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Okay.  Since rankings do not drive employer behavior, what drives employer behavior? 

hooloovoo:

--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 02:58:07 PM ---What drives employer behavior?  I meant to ask this earlier.

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past experience with hiring from schools is probably the biggest thing.

i'd guess that there's also some kind of bias toward one's own alma mater as well.

general school reputation probably plays a role, but more at a local level than a national one.

vansondon:

--- Quote from: hooloovoo on August 10, 2009, 03:07:50 PM ---
--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 02:58:07 PM ---What drives employer behavior?  I meant to ask this earlier.

--- End quote ---

past experience with hiring from schools is probably the biggest thing.

i'd guess that there's also some kind of bias toward one's own alma mater as well.

general school reputation probably plays a role, but more at a local level than a national one.

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I completely agree. *wow, we actually agree on something. lol* 

If you think that general school reputation plays more of a role at a local level than a national level, do you think it makes more sense to have regional rankings rather than national rankings?

Matthies:

--- Quote from: hooloovoo on August 10, 2009, 02:16:53 PM ---
--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 01:47:09 PM ---
--- Quote from: hooloovoo on August 10, 2009, 01:36:05 PM ---
--- Quote from: vansondon on August 10, 2009, 11:27:57 AM ---I know it's conventional wisdom that they do. 

--- End quote ---

i actually don't think this is the conventional wisdom.

employer behavior drives the rankings.  rankings do not drive employer behavior.

in general, anyway.

--- End quote ---

Okay.  How would you reconcile or further your view with the other arguments that say that rank and tier determines employer-related opportunity prospects for graduates and students?  Is the determination really that unilateral?

--- End quote ---

an analogy: cars don't get a particular mileage because the EPA says that they do.  they get a particular mileage based on completely different factors, and then the EPA gives them labels saying that they get particular mileages.

same thing with schools: the rank and tier doesn't determine the employment opportunities.  other factors determine the employment opportunities, and the rankings just categorize them according to what these opportunities look like.

--- End quote ---

I donít know if I agree with this. Reputation plays a big role in ranking for US News, more so than job placement does (as an individual factor). There are simply more lawyers and judges getting ballots in places like DC and NYC, and SF and LA then there are getting ballots in most states. Hence the schools that feed into these markets most tend to get the most responses and get higher rankings than schools in BFE.

Wyoming is a state school, its in one of the least populated states, it graduates donít venture out of Wyoming much. The lawyers and judges in DC/NYC/LA/SF have probably never met a Wyoming grad. Its not on their radar when they fill out UN News Ballots.

Wyoming could, in an alternate universe be the best law school in the world, with 100% employment at graduation, but its never going to move out of T4 because its never going to get anywhere the reputation rankings in the markets most represented by UN News Ballots.

Take schools like GWU, W&L, William and Marry and any of those other schools with two names and put them in in the middle of Kansas and they would be T4. Why? Because no one west of Indiana has ever heard of them, they donít have any good sports teams, all they got is a lot of alumni in DC they get more ballots than the 12 lawyers and judges who get them in Kansas City do. 

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