Cooley or Whittier?

[What law school is harder? Cooley or Whittier? They both accept law students without a bachelors degree.]

What law school is harder? Cooley or Whittier? They both accept law students without a bachelors degree.

Cooley

 5 (45.5%)

Whittier

 6 (54.5%)

Total Members Voted: 11

Voting closed: June 06, 2009, 08:21:39 PM

[calvinexpress]

Which law school is harder? Cooley or Whittier? I heard Cooley is a hard law school. I haven't heard anything about Wittier. They both accpet students without a bachelors degree. They are both ABA approved. They both require the LSAT. They are both $35,000.00 a year. So they are both pretty much the same except the professors. Which one is harder?

[Ninja1]

Neither. Work as a manager at Domino's 100x over first.

[haventaclue]

I would say Whittier is more difficult only because of the curve. I believe they were involved in a scandal not long ago when they dismissed an enormous amount of their student body due to the harsh curve they implement which has brought them in danger of losing their accreditation.I wouldn't go to either one though. Are you just thinking of attending these schools because you don't have a bachelors degree? Taking a shortcut is not always the best way to go. Not only will law school be significantly more difficult for you because of a lack of training in critical thinking skills, but it may also hinder your post graduation employment search. Just suck it up and dedicate 4 years to getting an education. If you can't commit to four years of relatively easy academic study, how can you possibly commit to three years of intense academic study? Take baby steps. Maybe after getting a degree and taking some law classes at the UG level you will discover that law is not for you.

[20caliguy]

I agree with the two previous posts. Don't go if these are your two options. Going to any T4 is going to make the job search difficult, but some place their graduates better than others. However, going to a T4 like Whittier or Cooley that have notorious reputations for being bottom of the barrel law schools is a very unwise choice. I agree with haventgotaclue that you should spend 4 years getting a degree and explore your interests. Hell, go  to ITT Tech and I bet you would be better off than if you went to either one of these law schools. I'm not trying to hate on T4's, as some have quite good reputations in their regions, but Whittier and Cooley are not one of them. Avoid and save your money. Get a bachelors degree for crying out loud.

[nealric]

PS: Only come here if you want to be insulted and discouraged by the immature and inexperienced bloggers who love this site.

Only someone cruel would encourage a moth heading towards a glowing bug zapper. Since I am generally a cruel person, I am hereby providing strong encouragement to attend one of these schools.

[nealric]

3. If you want to become an attorney, choose an ABA approved school (such as Cooley or Whitter if you like), do your best and go practice law.

It is an unfortunate fact that fewer than half of those who matriculate at Cooley ever practice law.

So here is my advice as an immature and inexperienced snob. Hard work goes a long way, but it's best to apply that hard work where it will be most effective. It's far easier to spend a year prepping for the LSAT than it is to spend years post graduation trying to overcome having gone to a school of dubious reputation.

[allaboutlydia]

I don't anything about Cooley but it's untrue that Whittier accepts students without degrees. You must have a degree and have taken the LSAT to apply and get accepted to Whittier.  There was no scandal involving dismissing most of the student body.  Please research your facts before posting inaccurate information.  Now for some facts:

1.  Whittier is the oldest fully accredited ABA law schools in Orange County
2.  More than 80% of Whittier Grads have passed the bar in 2008
3.  Whittier Grads have the highest starting salary of OC law schools
4.  Here's a list of firms that have hired Whittier graduates:

• Allred Maroko & Goldberg, Los Angeles

• Baker Botts LLP, Dallas

• Ballard Rosenberg Golper & Savitt, LLP, Universal City, CA

• Berger, Khan, Shafton, Moss, Irvine & Marina Del Rey

• Birch, Stewart, Kolasch & Birch, LLP , Costa Mesa

• Blakely, Sokoloff, Taylor & Zafman, LLP, Los Angeles

• Bonne Bridges Mueller O’Keefe & Nichols, Santa Ana & Los Angeles

• Buchalter Nemer Fields & Younger, Los Angeles

• Cooksey Toolen Gage Duffy & Woog, Costa Mesa

• Cotkin Collins & Ginsburg, Santa Ana

• Cummins & White, LLP, Newport Beach

• Demetriou, Del Guercio, Springer & Francis, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto, Costa Mesa

• Ford, Walker, Haggerty & Behar, LLP, Long Beach

• Fulbright & Jaworski, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fulwider Patton Lee & Utecht, LLP, Los Angeles

• Greenberg Traurig LLP, Santa Monica

• Gates & Cooper LLP, Los Angeles

• Gunster Yoakley, Palm Beach, FL

• Haight, Brown & Bonesteel, LLP, Los Angeles

• Harness, Dickey & Pierce, PLC, Saint Louis, MO

• Heller Ehrman LLP, San Francisco & Singapore

• Holland & Hart, LLP, Denver

• Holland & Knight, LLP, Miami

• Hooper, Lundy & Bookman, Inc., Los Angeles

• Jackson DeMarco & Peckenpaugh, Irvine

• Jackson Walker LLP, Dallas

• Jeffer, Mangels, Butler & Marmaro, LLP, Los Angeles

• Jenkins & Gilchrist, Dallas

• Keesal, Young, & Logan, Long Beach

• Kiesel Boucher & Larson, LLP, Beverly Hills

• Knobbe, Martens, Olsen & Bear LLP, Irvine & Riverside

• Latham & Watkins, New York

• Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith LLP, Los Angeles

• Loeb & Loeb LLP, Los Angeles

• Masry & Vititoe, Westlake Village, CA

• Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, Los Angeles

• Manning & Marder, Kass, Ellrod, Ramirez LLP, Los Angeles

• Mardirossian & Associates Inc., Los Angeles

• Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP, Chicago

• Milberg Weiss Bershad Hynes & Lerach LLP, San Diego

• Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, LLP, Los Angeles

• Morgan Lewis LLP, Los Angeles & San Francisco

• Nossaman, Guthner, Knox & Elliott LLP, Irvine

• Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, Orange County

• O’Sullivan Graev & Karabell, LLP, New York

• Quinn, Emanuel, Urquhart, Oliver, & Hedges, LLP, Los Angeles

• Reed Smith, Los Angeles & Washington D.C.

• Richards, Watson & Gershon, Los Angeles

• Salomon Brothers, Inc., New York

• Sedgwick, Detert, Moran & Arnold LLP, Los Angeles

• Seyfarth Shaw LLP, Los Angeles

• Shulman Hodges & Bastian LLP, Foothill Ranch

• Snell & Wilmer LLP, Phoenix

• Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP, Los Angeles

• Stephan Oringer Richman & Theodora, Costa Mesa & Los Angeles

• Stradling Yocca Carlson & Rauth, Newport Beach

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa, FL

• Toshiba America Information Systems, Irvine

• Wasserman, Comden, Casselman & Pearson, LLP, Tarzana

• White & Case LLP, New York

• Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman & Dicker LLP, Los Angeles & Newark

• Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosati, Palo Alto

• Winstead Sechrest & Minick P.C., Dallas

• Winston & Strawn LLP, New York

[Ninja1]

I don't anything about Cooley but it's untrue that Whittier accepts students without degrees. You must have a degree and have taken the LSAT to apply and get accepted to Whittier.  There was no scandal involving dismissing most of the student body.  Please research your facts before posting inaccurate information.  Now for some facts:

1.  Whittier is the oldest fully accredited ABA law schools in Orange County
2.  More than 80% of Whittier Grads have passed the bar in 2008
3.  Whittier Grads have the highest starting salary of OC law schools
4.  Here's a list of firms that have hired Whittier graduates:

• Allred Maroko & Goldberg, Los Angeles

• Baker Botts LLP, Dallas

• Ballard Rosenberg Golper & Savitt, LLP, Universal City, CA

• Berger, Khan, Shafton, Moss, Irvine & Marina Del Rey

• Birch, Stewart, Kolasch & Birch, LLP , Costa Mesa

• Blakely, Sokoloff, Taylor & Zafman, LLP, Los Angeles

• Bonne Bridges Mueller O’Keefe & Nichols, Santa Ana & Los Angeles

• Buchalter Nemer Fields & Younger, Los Angeles

• Cooksey Toolen Gage Duffy & Woog, Costa Mesa

• Cotkin Collins & Ginsburg, Santa Ana

• Cummins & White, LLP, Newport Beach

• Demetriou, Del Guercio, Springer & Francis, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fitzpatrick, Cella, Harper & Scinto, Costa Mesa

• Ford, Walker, Haggerty & Behar, LLP, Long Beach

• Fulbright & Jaworski, LLP, Los Angeles

• Fulwider Patton Lee & Utecht, LLP, Los Angeles

• Greenberg Traurig LLP, Santa Monica

• Gates & Cooper LLP, Los Angeles

• Gunster Yoakley, Palm Beach, FL

• Haight, Brown & Bonesteel, LLP, Los Angeles

• Harness, Dickey & Pierce, PLC, Saint Louis, MO

• Heller Ehrman LLP, San Francisco & Singapore

• Holland & Hart, LLP, Denver

• Holland & Knight, LLP, Miami

• Hooper, Lundy & Bookman, Inc., Los Angeles

• Jackson DeMarco & Peckenpaugh, Irvine

• Jackson Walker LLP, Dallas

• Jeffer, Mangels, Butler & Marmaro, LLP, Los Angeles

• Jenkins & Gilchrist, Dallas

• Keesal, Young, & Logan, Long Beach

• Kiesel Boucher & Larson, LLP, Beverly Hills

• Knobbe, Martens, Olsen & Bear LLP, Irvine & Riverside

• Latham & Watkins, New York

• Lewis Brisbois Bisgaard & Smith LLP, Los Angeles

• Loeb & Loeb LLP, Los Angeles

• Masry & Vititoe, Westlake Village, CA

• Manatt, Phelps & Phillips, LLP, Los Angeles

• Manning & Marder, Kass, Ellrod, Ramirez LLP, Los Angeles

• Mardirossian & Associates Inc., Los Angeles

• Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP, Chicago

• Milberg Weiss Bershad Hynes & Lerach LLP, San Diego

• Mitchell Silberberg & Knupp, LLP, Los Angeles

• Morgan Lewis LLP, Los Angeles & San Francisco

• Nossaman, Guthner, Knox & Elliott LLP, Irvine

• Orrick, Herrington & Sutcliffe LLP, Orange County

• O’Sullivan Graev & Karabell, LLP, New York

• Quinn, Emanuel, Urquhart, Oliver, & Hedges, LLP, Los Angeles

• Reed Smith, Los Angeles & Washington D.C.

• Richards, Watson & Gershon, Los Angeles

• Salomon Brothers, Inc., New York

• Sedgwick, Detert, Moran & Arnold LLP, Los Angeles

• Seyfarth Shaw LLP, Los Angeles

• Shulman Hodges & Bastian LLP, Foothill Ranch

• Snell & Wilmer LLP, Phoenix

• Sonnenschein Nath & Rosenthal LLP, Los Angeles

• Stephan Oringer Richman & Theodora, Costa Mesa & Los Angeles

• Stradling Yocca Carlson & Rauth, Newport Beach

• Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Tampa, FL

• Toshiba America Information Systems, Irvine

• Wasserman, Comden, Casselman & Pearson, LLP, Tarzana

• White & Case LLP, New York

• Wilson, Elser, Moskowitz, Edelman & Dicker LLP, Los Angeles & Newark

• Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosati, Palo Alto

• Winstead Sechrest & Minick P.C., Dallas

• Winston & Strawn LLP, New York

Still a TTTT, despite the 40 or so of their grads that have ever landed semi-respectable jobs.

[Contract2008]

I posted a similiar thread to Ninja's.  Why was mine deleted? 

[Ninja1]

I posted a similiar thread to Ninja's.  Why was mine deleted? 

Sure it just didn't post right? This site sucks on getting posts in sometimes.