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Julie Fern

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prosecute torturers!
« on: April 22, 2009, 02:04:34 PM »
and hopefully it happen.

(julie have fond memories how people on this site very upset with her pointing out, many times, u.s. torture.  now we know beyond dispute.)

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Re: prosecute torturers!
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2009, 02:22:25 PM »
Prosecute the people who told the CIA agents it was legal, abso-f-in-lutely! I don't think the people who were given the go-ahead by the D.O.J. should be prosecuted though. They asked if it was legal, were told it was, then did it. It's not their fault they were lied to IMO.   

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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2009, 02:52:02 PM »
they TORTURED people. I can agree that it might not be totally fair to prosecute them, but not doing so says "hey, as long as someone tells you to do it you don't have to use your own judgement"

These people are either robots with no minds/morals of their own, or people with EXTREEMELY poor judgement. Either way, I don't want them in positions of responsibility.
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Re: prosecute torturers!
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2009, 02:55:54 PM »
It's so tempting to Godwin this thread.

But also, waterboarding one person 6 times a day, on average, for a month, certainly falls outside of the guidelines and is, imo, beyond criminal.

ETA: That's not to say that I don't personally think one time is criminal. I do. Any willingness I have place most of the blame on higher-ups (who have their own share of guilt, regardless), however, flies out the window when the already-problematic guidelines weren't even followed.

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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2009, 02:58:51 PM »
and now, of course, captured americans hardly can expect better treatment.

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Re: prosecute torturers!
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2009, 02:58:52 PM »
It's so tempting to Godwin this thread.

But also, waterboarding one person 6 times a day, on average, for a month, certainly falls outside of the guidelines and is, imo, beyond criminal.



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Re: prosecute torturers!
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2009, 03:53:05 PM »
I dont see whats so bad about it. 
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Re: prosecute torturers!
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2009, 05:21:48 PM »
I dont see whats so bad about it. 

Of course there's nothing bad about prosecuting torturers. Anything else would be hypocritical.

I disagree. I think the military should be able to do whatever they feel is necessary. It's too bad that it became so public.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2009, 06:09:12 PM »
I dont see whats so bad about it. 

Of course there's nothing bad about prosecuting torturers. Anything else would be hypocritical.

I disagree. I think the military should be able to do whatever they feel is necessary. It's too bad that it became so public.

There are good reasons we have civilian oversight. The most important one day-to-day is to reign in the extremes that military forces have been known to go to. As a nation we decided when we declared independence that there are lines we are unwilling to cross to preserve stability or even freedom.
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2009, 06:20:09 PM »
I dont see whats so bad about it.

Of course there's nothing bad about prosecuting torturers. Anything else would be hypocritical.

I disagree. I think the military should be able to do whatever they feel is necessary. It's too bad that it became so public.

ever take oath where swear uphold constitution?