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WTF Rankings

Re: WTF Rankings
« Reply #50 on: April 26, 2009, 01:10:47 AM »
Actually I think the problem is that most of the ranking is not based on real, meaningful factors like LSAT. A ranking based purely on a LSAT/GPA index would probably be more accurate, but it wouldn't be worthy of a lucrative magazine edition.

Good point, but I disagree.

USN&WR isn't simply listing the "most selective law schools" (and even in that case, merely factoring LSAT/GPA is insufficient).  It is listing the 'best' schools.  Your academic experience will be enhanced when you have a library with plenty of resources and space, when your professors are of high quality, when the school spends money on enhancing your experience, when the school provides the ability to summer in a good firm that will give interesting work (employment %), and when other students are very smart.  All of these factors are relevant in assessing the quality of the legal education.


That said, I don't think USN&WR is perfect.  I think it could add some measurements, use different proportions to come up with rank, and measure things differently.

I’d go for gladiator style combat between each schools “hero” the self appointed gunner champion in a fight to the death using flails and tridents. The longer you schools gladiator lasts, the higher the ranking, until out of the two reaming battlers, one must choose between letting the defeated live and get the accolades those with a heart in legal academe, or instead go for his own glory and slit his or hers throat and become EIC of the Law Review. Payperview of course, with Nancy Grace doing the announcing, and adoring fans from each school watching with anticipation to see if their classmate remains alive long engough to get the school a respectable rank, but die himself so you don’t have to complete with him for grades or jobs next semester.  It appeals to all law students on so many different levels.

This was the single funniest post I've ever read on Law School Discussion.  I laughed for several minutes after I read "and adoring fans from each school watching with anticipation to see if their classmate remains alive long enough to get the school a respectable rank, but die himself so you don't have to compete with him for grades or jobs next semester." 

Re: WTF Rankings
« Reply #51 on: April 26, 2009, 02:52:32 AM »
I'm amazed out how submitted some people are to the US News Rankings.  What makes this periodical so trustworthy that hundreds of people on this site logon everyday to discuss who's poised for a "bump" or what tier US News puts them in?  If I'm not mistaken, the rankings are largely based on the LSAT scores of the incoming class (which has nothing to do with the quality of its faculty or resources) and public perception (which is sometimes based on the respect brought by a good football/basketball team or a past history of being exclusive). 

In sum, the way they've chosen to rank law schools lacks credibility and it should not be recognized as such.  They would be less deceptive if they called their system "Top Scoring Incoming Law School Classes" or "America's Most Popular Law Schools"

40% of the ranking score comes from the lawyer and judge assessment score... so, pick another name for your rankings.

To that truth I've already offered "America' Most Popular Law Schools" as a possible name so I'm covered.  ;D

Okay, Magnus, you've made this exact same post twice, and I'm really shocked at the lack of insight it shows.  Have you ever tried to get a job in the legal market?  Are you familiar with the blinding importance of the opinions of judges and attorneys regarding the quality of a school?

Re: WTF Rankings
« Reply #52 on: April 26, 2009, 05:11:31 AM »
Has there been much discussion of the new rankings incorporating part time programs' UGPAs and LSAT scores into the regular rankings?

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Re: WTF Rankings
« Reply #53 on: April 26, 2009, 05:43:51 AM »
Actually I think the problem is that most of the ranking is not based on real, meaningful factors like LSAT. A ranking based purely on a LSAT/GPA index would probably be more accurate, but it wouldn't be worthy of a lucrative magazine edition.

Good point, but I disagree.

USN&WR isn't simply listing the "most selective law schools" (and even in that case, merely factoring LSAT/GPA is insufficient).  It is listing the 'best' schools.  Your academic experience will be enhanced when you have a library with plenty of resources and space, when your professors are of high quality, when the school spends money on enhancing your experience, when the school provides the ability to summer in a good firm that will give interesting work (employment %), and when other students are very smart.  All of these factors are relevant in assessing the quality of the legal education.


That said, I don't think USN&WR is perfect.  I think it could add some measurements, use different proportions to come up with rank, and measure things differently.

I’d go for gladiator style combat between each schools “hero” the self appointed gunner champion in a fight to the death using flails and tridents. The longer you schools gladiator lasts, the higher the ranking, until out of the two reaming battlers, one must choose between letting the defeated live and get the accolades those with a heart in legal academe, or instead go for his own glory and slit his or hers throat and become EIC of the Law Review. Payperview of course, with Nancy Grace doing the announcing, and adoring fans from each school watching with anticipation to see if their classmate remains alive long engough to get the school a respectable rank, but die himself so you don’t have to complete with him for grades or jobs next semester.  It appeals to all law students on so many different levels.

This was the single funniest post I've ever read on Law School Discussion.  I laughed for several minutes after I read "and adoring fans from each school watching with anticipation to see if their classmate remains alive long enough to get the school a respectable rank, but die himself so you don't have to compete with him for grades or jobs next semester." 

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