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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 01:17:05 AM »
Chapman or Southwestern at sticker doesnt sound too appealing. IMO.
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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2009, 03:06:24 AM »
Chapman over Southwestern to work in LA? 

No.

Read Qualification Below: "Entertainment Biz". Southwestern is good for that and a few other things. And Chapman can get you to L.A. But one should consider UCI will create a bunch of new competition.

That's really a tough choice. All three are decent. All three have flaws.

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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2009, 04:06:45 AM »
i vote USF, chapman, southwestern.

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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2009, 04:21:51 PM »
Location, location, location.

I can say with confidence that USF is a good school.

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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2009, 06:56:10 PM »
Just in case you hadn't noticed, the OC is notably one of the top areas in the country that are packed with practicing attorneys. So if you go to Chapman and decide to live there and ultimately practice there, good luck because there is going to be lots of competition.

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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2009, 01:32:34 PM »
This would be the first year that an incoming 1L would be competing against a UCI 1L, and while its only 50 or so odd students, that number will rise.  I dont think anyone will argue that its only a matter of time before UCI dominates the OC.  With that said, Id probably just go to the school in the area you want to practice or the one that will cost the least.

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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #16 on: June 13, 2009, 07:05:35 PM »
I think you should also consider what kind of law interests you at this point.  It might be hard to figure that out right now, but the laws schools have different strengths.  Southwestern is a good entertainment law school and has a lot of alumni practicing in that field.  Chapman is good with tax, entertainment and business/real estate, and SF is good with public interest and IP (not as good as Santa Clara, but pretty good)... 

If you go to any of these schools, realize your probably not going to land big law unless you graduate in the top 5%, or top 30% for mid-firm. 

It is true that both the Bay area and LA/OC are very competitive because you compete with top CA and elite Ivy, but most of them are going to be employed in big firms so you probably won't compete with them as much.  So I personally wouldn't worry about that too much if big law isn't a top priority. 

Another thing you should look at is the reputation of the schools and what they are doing to improve their programs.

On a side note with UCI, I think it becomes a hinderance to Chapman becoming a Tier 1 school, but I really doubt that they will achieve that regardless of what happens.  It will be hard enough for UCI to achieve that themselves in the next ten years. WWatch for their matriculation numbers to go down once they stop giving 100% scholarships to their students after their inagural year.  There is no way they can keep up with UB, UCLA, Hastings and Davis until they build a real reputation after years of graduating alumni.  Chapman faces the same problem, in that they do have quality students attending there but they are new and not as well known nationally, so they get screwed every year when someone from the faculty of Maine or some state 3000 miles away gives the school a 1.0 reputation on the USNWR rankings.  So they will be limited on how "high" they can reach.  But can they become a school that rivals Pepperdine/SD/Loyola?  Very likely. Chapman law has a lot of money since its attached to a well funded university, has great facilities, some very well regarded faculty, and is matriculating better students each year.  Their programs are also increasing in reputation.  So they should be fine as a good regional school that will be a good recruiting place for mid-size firms, and play second fiddle to UCI in the long term, as well as the other elite schools. 


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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2009, 10:17:52 PM »
I think you should also consider what kind of law interests you at this point.  It might be hard to figure that out right now, but the laws schools have different strengths.  Southwestern is a good entertainment law school and has a lot of alumni practicing in that field.  Chapman is good with tax, entertainment and business/real estate, and SF is good with public interest and IP (not as good as Santa Clara, but pretty good)... 

If you go to any of these schools, realize your probably not going to land big law unless you graduate in the top 5%, or top 30% for mid-firm. 

It is true that both the Bay area and LA/OC are very competitive because you compete with top CA and elite Ivy, but most of them are going to be employed in big firms so you probably won't compete with them as much.  So I personally wouldn't worry about that too much if big law isn't a top priority. 

Another thing you should look at is the reputation of the schools and what they are doing to improve their programs.

On a side note with UCI, I think it becomes a hinderance to Chapman becoming a Tier 1 school, but I really doubt that they will achieve that regardless of what happens.  It will be hard enough for UCI to achieve that themselves in the next ten years. WWatch for their matriculation numbers to go down once they stop giving 100% scholarships to their students after their inagural year.  There is no way they can keep up with UB, UCLA, Hastings and Davis until they build a real reputation after years of graduating alumni.  Chapman faces the same problem, in that they do have quality students attending there but they are new and not as well known nationally, so they get screwed every year when someone from the faculty of Maine or some state 3000 miles away gives the school a 1.0 reputation on the USNWR rankings.  So they will be limited on how "high" they can reach.  But can they become a school that rivals Pepperdine/SD/Loyola?  Very likely. Chapman law has a lot of money since its attached to a well funded university, has great facilities, some very well regarded faculty, and is matriculating better students each year.  Their programs are also increasing in reputation.  So they should be fine as a good regional school that will be a good recruiting place for mid-size firms, and play second fiddle to UCI in the long term, as well as the other elite schools. 




Well, I just got accepted form the waitlist at Loyola, and a lot of factors are coming into play in now trying to decide between Chapman and Loyola. I don't want to screw myself as far as potential for first year salary might go, I do not want to work and would prefer not ot live in LA.

I have 3 days to decide between Loyola and Chapman. Chapman has offered a 20% scholarship, its not a lot but it still bring my debt/tuition down almost $35k when considering going to Loyola at $40k a year. The living situation around Chapman is also MUCH better than Loyola. Some of you probably think it is a no-brainer, but some honest opinions as quick as possible would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2009, 11:34:22 PM »
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Re: USF, Chapman, and Southwestern - Cali People, help!!
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2009, 11:59:30 PM »
Well, I just got accepted form the waitlist at Loyola, and a lot of factors are coming into play in now trying to decide between Chapman and Loyola. I don't want to screw myself as far as potential for first year salary might go, I do not want to work and would prefer not ot live in LA.

I have 3 days to decide between Loyola and Chapman. Chapman has offered a 20% scholarship, its not a lot but it still bring my debt/tuition down almost $35k when considering going to Loyola at $40k a year. The living situation around Chapman is also MUCH better than Loyola. Some of you probably think it is a no-brainer, but some honest opinions as quick as possible would be greatly appreciated.

If you plan to stay in Orange County, you might as well go to Chapman (especially since it's cheaper too).
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