Matthies, I just find it odd that you can take such a strong stand on personal responsibility (+1) on the one hand, but then come out in favor of racial preferences (AA) at the same time. What you are saying, and correct me if this is not what you mean, is that white people can handle being responsible for their own actions, but URM's can't and need a leg up. If the URM happens to be the privileged African-American son of two T14 alumni while the white applicant is the child of two refugees it is the wealthy African-American applicant that gets the admissions boost. Why? It's fairly obvious that the African-American family has already overcome the past, while the white applicant has overcome a language barrier and a huge socioeconomic hurdle to be in the position of applying (credibly) to a T14 school.It seems to me that everyone can write about their "history of overcoming adversity" in their personal statement if they so choose, whether or not that adversity was due to their race. This, and not some boilerplate bubble-in-your-race question, should determine preference (if we must have one at all).BTW, I'm in at all my schools so far, so no one took my spot.
Poverty is not an inherited condition.
once they reach some type of parity (the same % of black children go to college as do white children [taking into account thier respetive % of the population] then we can end it).
Yeah, but I must have missed the "1st or 2nd generation white" box on my applications, because AA assumes white means white. So long as you were born here and went to US schools the child of a Ukrainian farmer is just "white" on his application, with nothing but the personal statement to inform the Adcom of his circumstances. Meanwhile, the child of two T14 grads can get automatic preference simply based on the color of his skin, so long as the school wants more people of that particular hue.The best part is that race is self-declared. Only Native American can be verified, everyone else belongs to whichever race they identify as on their paperwork. So it's not even your skin color that matters, it's the skin color you mark on your application.Further discussion: shall we hold Matthies to the three-generation rule for everyone? Because I'm ok with that. Can we start the count from the voting rights act of 1965?
Quote from: Matthies on March 03, 2009, 01:33:16 PMPoverty is not an inherited condition. Really? Then why is this important:Quote once they reach some type of parity (the same % of black children go to college as do white children [taking into account thier respetive % of the population] then we can end it). The same way we waited for Irish, Polish, Italian, and Eastern European immigrants (not to mention non-URM preference ethnic minorities, which I haven't even touched yet) to reach parity? Or are they just expected to make it, and when they don't it's a result of their choices?
Then let's get rid of both AA and need-based scholarships, making it wholly merit-based. I'm OK with that.