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Re: Berkeley v. Georgetown
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 08:07:45 PM »
Just thought I'd add my advice on this topic, since I was in the same shoes as you just a short time ago.

I also did my undergrad at UT, and for law school I had a similar choice to make:  Berkeley, Gtown, Northwestern, or UT.  Like you, I would love to be in Austin after I get my JD.  In the end, I of course (see username) decided on Berkeley.  Here are my reasons:
1.  Everyone who goes to UT for law school wants to stay in Austin, which makes competition a lot harder for UT JDs.
2.  Overall, for this reason and possibly for many others, UT seemed like a much more competitive law school environment.
3.  I had the same feeling about Gtown.  The people I met there during ASW were okay, but I sensed a tension that made me uneasy, and I also hated the law school's location.
4.  The Berkeley JD is, in my opinion, very portable, regardless of grades.  I loved the idea of the Berkeley grading system, and I had offers in multiple cities for SA positions.
5.  I think it's good to get away from the place you're from (or the place you want to wind up) and live in another part of the country.
6.  There were at least a dozen firms with Austin offices who came to Berkeley OCI to interview.  This may change with the economy, but as recently as last September Texas firms were well represented at Berkeley's OCI.
7.  You really can't beat the weather in the Bay Area
8.  If you decide you hate the idea of working for a firm, Berkeley's LRAP is top-notch (something UT and Chicago don't have (or at least didn't 2 years ago) and something that Gtown has but which only covers an insanely low income level).
9.  Chicago is a great city to visit, but I would not want to sit through a Chicago winter.  Law school is depressing enough as it is.
10. Gtown and UT have huge student bodies.  I think Berkeley's size is just right.

These are my opinions based on real experiences, so I hope they help.  One downside of being in Berkeley is that I can't really network and make connections in Austin.  It's such a small legal community there, and I think it helps to know people, which is something you'll surely end up doing if you stay at UT. 

In the end, I'm happy with my decision to attend Berkeley.  Law school is pretty awful no matter where you go, but I honestly believe it's a little less awful at Berkeley (comparing my experience with friends' experiences).  I hope that helps.  Good luck!

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Re: Berkeley v. Georgetown
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 10:28:23 PM »
Just thought I'd add my advice on this topic, since I was in the same shoes as you just a short time ago.

I also did my undergrad at UT, and for law school I had a similar choice to make:  Berkeley, Gtown, Northwestern, or UT.  Like you, I would love to be in Austin after I get my JD.  In the end, I of course (see username) decided on Berkeley.  Here are my reasons:
1.  Everyone who goes to UT for law school wants to stay in Austin, which makes competition a lot harder for UT JDs.
2.  Overall, for this reason and possibly for many others, UT seemed like a much more competitive law school environment.
3.  I had the same feeling about Gtown.  The people I met there during ASW were okay, but I sensed a tension that made me uneasy, and I also hated the law school's location.
4.  The Berkeley JD is, in my opinion, very portable, regardless of grades.  I loved the idea of the Berkeley grading system, and I had offers in multiple cities for SA positions.
5.  I think it's good to get away from the place you're from (or the place you want to wind up) and live in another part of the country.
6.  There were at least a dozen firms with Austin offices who came to Berkeley OCI to interview.  This may change with the economy, but as recently as last September Texas firms were well represented at Berkeley's OCI.
7.  You really can't beat the weather in the Bay Area
8.  If you decide you hate the idea of working for a firm, Berkeley's LRAP is top-notch (something UT and Chicago don't have (or at least didn't 2 years ago) and something that Gtown has but which only covers an insanely low income level).
9.  Chicago is a great city to visit, but I would not want to sit through a Chicago winter.  Law school is depressing enough as it is.
10. Gtown and UT have huge student bodies.  I think Berkeley's size is just right.

These are my opinions based on real experiences, so I hope they help.  One downside of being in Berkeley is that I can't really network and make connections in Austin.  It's such a small legal community there, and I think it helps to know people, which is something you'll surely end up doing if you stay at UT. 

In the end, I'm happy with my decision to attend Berkeley.  Law school is pretty awful no matter where you go, but I honestly believe it's a little less awful at Berkeley (comparing my experience with friends' experiences).  I hope that helps.  Good luck!


How much more debt are you having as a result of attending Berkeley as opposed to UT?

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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2009, 10:57:35 PM »
Actually, it's less debt than if I'd gone to UT.  Berkeley has quite a few grants that I qualified for, plus I got a small scholarship.  Overall, though, the grants from Berkeley made my decision a lot easier.

UT offered me a small scholarship as well ($15K over three years), but even that combined with the instate tuition would have been more than Berkeley. 

Sidenote:  I qualified as an independent student for Berkeley's finaid, which I'm sure was one reason I received so many grants.

I'll be the first to admit that living in the Bay Area costs a lot more than Austin (especially in rent and groceries), but overall I think people put too much emphasis on this point.  If you give yourself reasonable time (for me it took only one week the summer before school started), you can find affordable housing in Berkeley.  I landed a studio for less than $700/month in a great neighborhood, and a close friend has a room in a large 3 bedroom house for $450 (also in a good neighborhood).  Finally, in Austin (and most other cities) you need a car, and in Berkeley you can get by perfectly fine with a bike and/or public transit, thereby saving you some money.

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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2009, 12:23:13 AM »
Actually, it's less debt than if I'd gone to UT.  Berkeley has quite a few grants that I qualified for, plus I got a small scholarship.  Overall, though, the grants from Berkeley made my decision a lot easier.

UT offered me a small scholarship as well ($15K over three years), but even that combined with the instate tuition would have been more than Berkeley. 

Sidenote:  I qualified as an independent student for Berkeley's finaid, which I'm sure was one reason I received so many grants.

I'll be the first to admit that living in the Bay Area costs a lot more than Austin (especially in rent and groceries), but overall I think people put too much emphasis on this point.  If you give yourself reasonable time (for me it took only one week the summer before school started), you can find affordable housing in Berkeley.  I landed a studio for less than $700/month in a great neighborhood, and a close friend has a room in a large 3 bedroom house for $450 (also in a good neighborhood).  Finally, in Austin (and most other cities) you need a car, and in Berkeley you can get by perfectly fine with a bike and/or public transit, thereby saving you some money.

How much are you paying per year for tuition at Berkeley that makes it less expensive that instate UT plus scholarship?


$700 for a studio is expensive. How man sq. feet is it?

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Re: Berkeley v. Georgetown
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2009, 12:47:15 AM »
Berkeley gives a lot of grants to a lot of people, and I received a sizable amount.  So, yes, that means that I pay less to go to Berkeley than I would have paid going to UT.  If you want to know how much tuition costs, you'll have to look it up, but that's not really the point.  I received scholarships and grants that made Berkeley's tuition more affordable.

As far as the apartment goes, it's about the same size as the place I had for $695 in Austin (which was a good deal for the neighborhood).  I don't know where you're writing from, but in most cities (especially in a place like the Bay Area), $700 for a studio is dirt cheap.

Hope that helps.

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Re: Berkeley v. Georgetown
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2009, 12:57:20 AM »


As far as the apartment goes, it's about the same size as the place I had for $695 in Austin (which was a good deal for the neighborhood).  I don't know where you're writing from, but in most cities (especially in a place like the Bay Area), $700 for a studio is dirt cheap.

Hope that helps.

How many sq. feet is your studio?

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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2009, 07:04:54 AM »
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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2009, 11:23:16 AM »
At this point, I have more or less narrowed it down for many of the same reasons (AustinBerkeley). I feel like I need to get out of Texas and I want to go into academia eventually which drives me toward a top 10 (berkeley or Chicago). Going out to visit Chicago in a couple weeks. Truth is I absolutely love the city so it may draw a little more than Berkeley but money is definitely a factor too. I'm still waiting on my Berkeley scholarship ap/matching scholarship request (UVA at 25k a year) but here's my money situation now.

Chicago- 65k in loans (0 scholarship)
Berkeley- 14k grant + 56k in loans
Texas- 15k/year scholarship + 36k in loans

Texas upped my scholarship recently but then released their new tuition figures which were about 7k higher than last year (almost the same amount they increased my scholarship). Ouch. The only real draw they had besides Austin was cheap. No thank you.