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Thoughts on these comments by dean from NYLS?
« on: January 26, 2009, 07:22:53 AM »
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/01/is-the-law-professor.html

"We should be ashamed of ourselves.  We own our students' outcomes. We took them. We took their money. We live on their money to pay to come to San Diego. And if they don't have a good outcome in life, we're exploiting them. It's our responsibility to own the outcomes of our institutions. If they're not doing well ... it's gotta be fixed. Or we should shut the damn place down. And that's a moral responsibility that we bear in the academy. It's a leadership responsibility that each of us has. And damn the U.S. News if it affects our rankings. The kids are not gonna show up. Do you know that LSAT registrations are flat to down this year. That students' applications to law school are flat to down in a substantial number of law schools. That's never happened in a downturn in the economy before. They're catching on. Maybe this thing they are doing is not so valuable. Maybe the chance at being in the top 10% is not a good enough lottery shot in order to effectively spend $120,000 and see it blow up at the end of three years of law school.

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Re: Thoughts on these comments by dean from NYLS?
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2009, 05:47:04 PM »
This is exactly what everyone has been saying for years.  Interestingly enough, it's not like NYLS has lowered their tuition or found a way to place more than 10%.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2009/01/is-the-law-professor.html

"We should be ashamed of ourselves.  We own our students' outcomes. We took them. We took their money. We live on their money to pay to come to San Diego. And if they don't have a good outcome in life, we're exploiting them. It's our responsibility to own the outcomes of our institutions. If they're not doing well ... it's gotta be fixed. Or we should shut the damn place down. And that's a moral responsibility that we bear in the academy. It's a leadership responsibility that each of us has. And damn the U.S. News if it affects our rankings. The kids are not gonna show up. Do you know that LSAT registrations are flat to down this year. That students' applications to law school are flat to down in a substantial number of law schools. That's never happened in a downturn in the economy before. They're catching on. Maybe this thing they are doing is not so valuable. Maybe the chance at being in the top 10% is not a good enough lottery shot in order to effectively spend $120,000 and see it blow up at the end of three years of law school.
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Re: Thoughts on these comments by dean from NYLS?
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2009, 07:58:46 PM »
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Re: Thoughts on these comments by dean from NYLS?
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2009, 08:18:26 PM »
I don't think things will change as long as enough people see the risk they're taking as being worth it. Plenty of people are applying to T3/T4 schools, and while some are probably misinformed or misled and think a JD from any old place is an automatic path to riches, an awful lot are aware of the risk and do it anyway. Certainly enough to keep those schools open for business. I personally don't think I'd be willing to wager $120,000 on a 10% (or less) chance of making good money, but some people obviously do... probably because their current station in life is bad enough to make any change seem like a good idea, or because they really truly believe they'll be in that top whatever percent and be able to pay it off.