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E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?

E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« on: December 16, 2008, 05:30:57 PM »
I've particularly enjoyed Glannon's E&Es for CivPro and less so for Torts, and I'm wondering for next semester if anyone has any particularly strong recommendations for any supplements for Crim Law or Crim Pro that they found helpful. 

Thanks.

Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2008, 05:38:24 PM »
My prof recommended Dressler on Crim Pro, but I didn't use it personally.

Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2008, 05:40:03 PM »
tag for Crim.

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Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2008, 05:44:51 PM »
My advice, donít take Crim Pro, but if you have to I got the Legal Path Series keyed to my textbook, it was ok, but my prof had this 10 step method we had to use on all questions so it really did not help me on the exam. Nothing helped me on that exam.

Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2008, 06:27:03 PM »

Dressler's CDs on both subjects.  The crim law Understanding book (also by Dressler) is also great.

I aced crim law.

I am positive I did not ace crim pro, but that's because I slacked off, not because the supplement sucked. My prof also rocked. I really have no excuse.

Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2008, 02:06:55 PM »
I've heard from others that Dressler is great for crim. law or crim. pro., but I haven't used them personally.


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Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2008, 10:02:50 PM »
I didn't use a supplement for crimpro, but Dressler's crimlaw supplement (the Understanding series) is great.  We used it as an assigned text in my class.  I have heard that the Dressler supplement is very good for cops & robbers and the E&E is good for bail to jail.

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Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2008, 11:08:48 AM »
Would someone mind explaining the differences between crim pro and crim law? I'm guessing that crim pro is like civ pro, and that crim law is like con law for criminals, but I don't really know. Thanks.

Crim Law was a lot of common law definitions of crimes and learning about mens rea (mental state requirements for crimes) and stuff, at least the way we learned it. Crim Pro was all about the 4th, 5th, and 6th amendments, and basically what rights people have before trial starts, and what procedures the police have to follow to keep it constitutional (I think real crim people like P call the Crim Pro I took "cops & robbers," where the second half of Crim Pro, which covers rights during the actual trial phase, gets dubbed "bail to jail" Is that right?).

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Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2008, 11:11:48 AM »
(I think real crim people like P call the Crim Pro I took "cops & robbers," where the second half of Crim Pro, which covers rights during the actual trial phase, gets dubbed "bail to jail" Is that right?).

Totally.  The second part of crimpro is called "adjudication" in some places.  It basically covers what happens once the prosecutor gets involved (charging decisions/discretion, grand jury procedures, jury selection, rights at trial, deliberations, mistrials, etc.).

Re: E&E or other recommendations for Crim Law or Crim Pro?
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2008, 11:40:14 AM »
I call them by the prof's name (e.g. "Did you do the Sully reading?"), but that doesn't translate as well. Le sigh. Our official naming has no rhyme or reason: Criminal Procedure: Investigation (copsnrobbers, which is what the prof called it), and Criminal Adjudication (formerly Advanced Criminal Procedure) (bailtojail). In my assignment book I called them Inv and Adj, but that sucked.

Why is crim pro so goddamned enormous?

But fun?

But enormous?

UGH I HATE THE FINAL I AM WORKING ON.