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Re: Macedonia Challenged for Complicity in Wrongful Abduction
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2010, 10:35:09 AM »

[...] whose role in foisting the wars of aggression in Iraq and Afghanistan on the American people and implementing the US programs of torture and extraordinary rendition makes her an appropriate target for a war crimes indictment.[...]


El-Masri

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/el-masri-v-tenet

finally made it to the European court of Human Rights - Obama administration should own up to the truth as first rendition case related to "war on terror" reaches European Court of Human Rights. By taking Khaled El-Masri's case to the European Court of Human Rights, the Open Society Justice Initiative is seeking to ensure that his rights, and his humanity, are finally vindicated. It is time that the Obama administration act to remedy the terrible injustice done to him. It should start by owning up to the truth.


Excuse the naivete of a prospective law student, but somebody tell me why CIA didn't finish El-Masri under torture? So that he would not file these lawsuits discrediting the agency?

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Re: Macedonia Challenged for Complicity in Wrongful Abduction
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2010, 11:07:32 AM »

El-Masri

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/el-masri-v-tenet

finally made it to the European court of Human Rights - Obama administration should own up to the truth as first rendition case related to "war on terror" reaches European Court of Human Rights. By taking Khaled El-Masri's case to the European Court of Human Rights, the Open Society Justice Initiative is seeking to ensure that his rights, and his humanity, are finally vindicated. It is time that the Obama administration act to remedy the terrible injustice done to him. It should start by owning up to the truth.


Excuse the naivete of a prospective law student, but somebody tell me why CIA didn't finish El-Masri under torture? So that he would not file these lawsuits discrediting the agency?


You think the CIA @ # ! * i n g cares? In fact, they would leave loose such an innocent person who's been tortured by mistake so that he would make known to people thru his lawsuits what happened to him for the public to be scared enough. For every person you torture you scare to death 1000 others. All these clown human rights organizations and courts are just part of the big game that's played.

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Re: "Rendition"
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2010, 05:31:25 PM »

There is a movie based on the true story of Khalid El-Masri who was mistaken for Khalid al-Masri.


Watch "The Ghostwriter" - when a successful British ghostwriter agrees to complete the memoirs of former British Prime Minister Adam Lang, his agent assures him it is the opportunity of a lifetime. But the project seems doomed from the start — not least because his predecessor on the project, Lang's long-term aide, died in an apparent accident. The ghostwriter flies out to work on the project, in the middle of winter, at an oceanfront house on Martha's Vineyard. But the day he arrives, a former British foreign minister named Rycart accuses Lang of authorizing the illegal seizure of suspected terrorists and handing them over for torture by the CIA — a possible war crime. Lang faces the threat of prosecution by the International Criminal Court, unless he stays in the U.S. or goes to another country that does not recognize that court.


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US military covers up suicide protest at Guantánamo Bay
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2010, 02:54:18 PM »
By Richard Phillips
1 February 2005

The US military admitted last week that 23 prisoners at its Guantánamo jail had attempted a collective suicide by trying to hang or strangle themselves between August 18 and 26, 2003. Ten of the attempts occurred on a single day, August 22. The prisoners were locked in tiny 6-by-8 foot metal mesh cells next to each other and able to communicate. Vague information about the desperate protest, which has been suppressed by the Pentagon for the past 18 months, came to light last year during a casual conversation between Guantánamo Bay personnel and two journalists visiting the military prison. Repeated media queries about the incidents finally saw the Pentagon’s Southern Command release a statement on January 24. Not surprisingly, the Pentagon tried to downplay the incidents, disdainfully describing them as "manipulative, self injurious gestures" and of little significance because they were "not successful." Military spokesmen claimed that the detainees had sustained only "minor injuries" and officially categorized only two of the attempted suicides as "genuine." Although the names and nationalities of the prisoners involved were not revealed, the statement disclosed that seven of the men have since been released from Guantánamo.

Asked by the media why the military had not previously reported the protests, Southern Command Lieutenant Commander Chris Loundermon declared that, "a (press) release would not be made for every self-harm incident." While Washington has officially acknowledged only 34 suicide attempts since it began incarcerating detainees in Guantánamo in January 2002, it was forced to admit last week that there had been 460 "self-harm incidents" over two years. They included 120 "hanging gestures" using clothing or bedding. Notwithstanding the Pentagon doublespeak, these figures show that there had been an attempted suicide every second day. The Southern Command statement claimed that the attempted suicides in mid-August 2003 were a bid to "disrupt camp operations" and "challenge a new group of security guards." It asserted that there had been no successful suicides because Guantánamo had a "vigilant, well-trained guard force, charged with the safe and humane custody of the detainees."

In fact, the attempted suicides were a desperate response to a new wave of human rights abuses unleashed against the prisoners, particularly following the appointment of Major General Geoffrey Miller as commander of Guantánamo in November 2002. Miller took charge after the White House authorised the use of torture and other interrogation methods in violation of the Geneva Conventions. He replaced General Rick Baccus, who was regarded by Washington as being too soft on the detainees. On December 2, 2002, a month after Miller's installation, US Defense Secretary Rumsfeld approved recommendations from the Defense Department’s chief lawyer, William J. Haynes II, that hooding, nakedness, dark rooms and "using detainees’ individual phobias, such as fear of dogs, to induce stress," be implemented at Guantánamo. While Rumsfeld rescinded this directive on January 15, 2003, after objections from some military lawyers, Miller had already unleashed a regime of terror at the prison.

Between January and March 2003, 14 prisoners tried to kill themselves, including one who sustained serious brain damage. In other words, 40 percent of the 34 officially acknowledged suicide attempts since the prison opened occurred within a few months of Miller's appointment. In May 2003, Miller wrote a "72-point matrix for stress and duress" and three months later called for the construction of an execution chamber at Guantánamo. The intense pressure brought to bear on prisoners was clearly the major factor in the large number of suicide attempts in August.

Serious psychological problems

Guantánamo Bay commanders apparently responded to the attempted suicides with extensive use of tranquilizers and other techniques to suppress the increasingly distressed inmates. Last year the Red Cross drew attention to a "worrisome deterioration" in prisoners' mental health, which was confirmed by British prisoners released from Guantánamo. The British detainees reported numerous cases of serious psychological disorders. They said that at least 50 prisoners, or approximately 10% of inmates, were so disturbed that they were "no longer capable of rational thought or behavior" and acted like small children. Major David Auch, an Army Reserve physician who served at Guantánamo and later became head of the medical unit at Baghdad’s Abu Ghraib prison, has admitted that one detainee would constantly bang his head against the door and walls of his cell. "They had him in a helmet to protect his head because he kept pounding it on the wall," he told the media. "Sometimes they flexicuffed him because he tried to scratch his face, tried to grab anything he could to mutilate himself."

Five days after Southern Command finally admitted the Guantánamo suicide protest, more information came to light about the illegal and depraved techniques employed at the prison. On January 28, Associated Press (AP) published a report based on nine pages from a draft copy of Inside the Wire, a forthcoming book by Erik R. Saar, a 29-year-old former Army sergeant and Arabic translator stationed at Guantánamo between December 2002 and June 2003. While Saar did not give the book to AP, he said details in the pages leaked to the news agency were correct. He decided to write Inside the Wire, which will be released later this year, because he was deeply disturbed by the sexual and religious persecution of detainees. According to the AP story, some female interrogators — military and civilian— wore bra and thong underwear to sexually arouse, humiliate and then break some of the more devout Muslim prisoners. Some of the detainees were smeared with fake menstrual blood during interrogations. An extract from the leaked pages read: "[T]he concept was to make the detainee feel that after talking to her [the interrogator] he was unclean and was unable to go before his God in prayer and gain strength." The AP report and the revelations about the August 2003 mass suicide protest add to the mountain of evidence demonstrating that the detention and treatment of prisoners in Guantánamo is a war crime that flows inherently and inevitably from the brutal US-led occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Re: Should I travel to India?
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 01:57:48 PM »
I tend to believe their claims will be denied across the board if they're not able to prove 'em sufficiently.

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Re: Should I travel to India?
« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2010, 03:16:40 PM »
Whose claims, invader, of those who were tortured by mistake or the other ones?

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Re: Should I travel to India?
« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2010, 02:43:17 PM »
Here it is an account of el-Masri adventures on historycommons.org


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Re: "Rendition"
« Reply #27 on: November 21, 2010, 03:15:12 PM »

El-Masri

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/el-masri-v-tenet

finally made it to the European court of Human Rights - Obama administration should own up to the truth as first rendition case related to "war on terror" reaches European Court of Human Rights. By taking Khaled El-Masri's case to the European Court of Human Rights, the Open Society Justice Initiative is seeking to ensure that his rights, and his humanity, are finally vindicated. It is time that the Obama administration act to remedy the terrible injustice done to him. It should start by owning up to the truth.



There is a movie based on the true story of Khalid El-Masri who was mistaken for Khalid al-Masri.



The British journalist Stephen Grey, in a new book, "Ghost Plane," refers to documents obtained by Spanish law-enforcement officials, along with flight logs, which indicate that international flight planners provided essential logistical support for many of the C.I.A.'s renditions, including that of Khaled el-Masri, a German car salesman who was apparently mistaken for an Al Qaeda suspect with a similar name, in January of 2004. Masri, who is a Muslim, was arrested at the border while crossing from Serbia into Macedonia by bus. He has alleged in court papers that Macedonian authorities turned him over to a C.I.A. rendition team. Then, he said, masked figures stripped him naked, shackled him, and led him onto a Boeing 737 business jet. From Skopje, Macedonia, the 737 flew to Baghdad, where it had military clearance to land, and then on to Kabul. On board, Masri has said, he was chained to the floor and injected with sedatives. After landing, he was put in the trunk of a car and driven to a building where he was placed in a dank cell. He spent the next 4 months there, under interrogation. Masri was released in May, 2004, on the orders of Condoleezza Rice, then the national-security adviser, after she learned that he had mistakenly been identified as a terrorism suspect.


The movie "Rendition" mixes the cases of El-Masri (the name thing) and Maher Arar who was living in the Canada, detained at JFK. In fact, the movie looks like fashioned more along the lines of the story of Arar.

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Re: Should I travel to India?
« Reply #28 on: November 21, 2010, 03:30:38 PM »
Here it is an account of el-Masri adventures on historycommons.org




Good idea to include the google search picture with the search terms, the historycommons page on the issue doesn't show up right away..

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Re: Should I travel to India?
« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2010, 04:21:59 PM »
Hayde, the historycommons page on the case shows up in page 2 now, it probably was in page 1 at the time when the original post was made; I don't think anyone would have had a difficult time finding it were the picture not included - in fact, I think the inclusion of the screenshot was a bit too much..