I'm not going there, but CSM actually has a very strong litigation department.
Quote from: tm. on November 16, 2008, 10:07:44 PMQuote from: theor on November 16, 2008, 06:55:34 PMI got rejected by DOJ Honors twice. how exactly did you get rejected by DOJ Honors twice?By applying twice and never hearing back from them. I may have applied a third time. I don't remember if I applied 1L year.
Quote from: theor on November 16, 2008, 06:55:34 PMI got rejected by DOJ Honors twice. how exactly did you get rejected by DOJ Honors twice?
I got rejected by DOJ Honors twice.
Get a sense of humor, Susan B. Anthony!
I'm going to cut a female dog. With a knife with a brown handle, natch.
Don't judge me. You've not had my life.
If anyone thinks DOJ is the savior for those who couldn't get biglaw, think again. DOJ is harder to get than law firm work.
Man, these students are right under your nose. How many times do I have to tell you that not everyone at UC wants to make market at biglaw? These generalizations are aggravating and patently false -- based on not opening your eyes to the realities of our classmates (I can probably count 15 offhand who have explicitly said that they want PI careers). The upshot for everyone is that when you're applying to Kirkland we won't be competing with you, and when we're applying for DOJ (or whatever) you won't be competing with us.
Just so the spectators are clear: Don't believe botbot. I was being facetious. Not only is it incorrect, but it would be a bad plan to just think that you can be "saved" by DOJ. That would be an extremely low probability. If you bombed out of OCI at a top school, timing wasn't your problem. You could do 5 more years of law school and 4 more OCIs and still have the same problem. Is DOJ less selective than O'Melveny and Meyers? No. Are they worse at picking up your faults? No. Do they ask easier questions or have lower expectations? No. Will you do better in an interview with them just because it is later? No. You need to change your strategy, not your timeline.
DOJ still does most of its hiring through 2L summers. You've missed out on that just as you did for private practice. There are a number of things available as a 3L, including law firms and government, but none of them are looking to "save" you and they are going to be distrustful of you since you didn't work there as a 2nd summer. You can save yourself, however, and you have plenty of time to do it, but you certainly can't do it with the attitude that everything is a back-up.
jesus this guy's an a-hole.
No, you see, DOJ did not save me. It rejected me. Twice. I was an idiot in law school. Have I not been completely up front about that? I am special, but only insofar as most people here did not screw up in law school. I didn't clerk and I didn't work at or summer in biglaw. That puts me in the minority here as far.And you weren't supposed to read that whole section. Yet, you come on here and post that "~50%" stuff with nothing but your own speculation to support it. Do you think you are really helping other law students with pure conjecture when there is someone who actually has been through it? Can you at least state that you know two people and one of them was SLIP and the other wasn't?And, I love honor's hires, as does everyone else here. The vast majority of non-honors laterals here came from v50 firms (we really raided O'Melveny this year, and Latham is a close second), graduated from t6 (mostly Harvard), and have clerkships under their belts. The honors hires are generally younger versions of them. They are really amazing. You, on the otherhand, insist on describing them as biglaw rejects based on nothing but pure speculation. You know, you don't offend me at all. I don't have any ego to inflate here. If I've screwed up, I'll try and post it here so that others learn from it. However, please try and refrain from insulting your peers who are applying to the DOJ with your assumptions.I am not being defensive for no reason. You make a lot of false statements and baseless allegations. Your statements simply need correction so that other law students aren't misled. I am actually unsure why you feel the need to continue to do so.
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