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Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2008, 08:46:19 PM »
Before you go to law school, realize that it is not easy.  It is not kindergarden; there is no finger painting.  In fact, it may be the opposite of easy: it may be hard

Every night, I have lots of reading to do.  Most of this reading is very dense; some would even argue that it's intentionally obfuscating because judges can't write for poo unless they're Kozinski, who's the f-ing man -- and there are a few other good writers on the 9th circuit, actually (see: Christian v. Mattel).  Sometimes, I have to read as many as thirty, if not fifty, pages.  In one night! 

Law school, as you know, is graded on a curve, which means that you're graded against your classmates.  They all study really really hard.  Some people stay hours in the library.  A few memorize a bunch of FRCP rules, which are also not easy.

Anyway, be sure you know what you're getting into.

Thirty to fifty pages in one night is hard?  That sounds easy.  The Wall Street journal end to end is a similar length. 

I think the problem is that most people compare the amount of reading they have to do in law school to the amount they had to do in UG. By that standard, slogging through the ingredients on a soda can is difficult.

Yeah, I get that feeling to. But I was a literature major in UG, so I feel the transition won't nearly be as difficult as for some people. Its an underrated asset of those types of majors.

I was an English major.  Don't flatter yourself.

If you can find me a case that is harder to read (in terms of boredom vs size) than Moby male private part or Pamela, then I'll listen. But until then, I'm excited to be moving on from those.

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2008, 08:53:33 PM »
::laughs at all the 1L's who are still reading::


learned hand had a brother named noble hand.  i personally would have named them "right" and "left"

Now this is a question I've had, how do you get past the reading? I can see not doing briefs, but how do you not read and still do well? I don't doubt that it's possible, I just really don't see how.

Reading is totally useless.  IF you haven't realized that by now, you're in trouble.  Look at some past exams.  All you need to do well in a good understanding of the BLL and an ability to apply it to hypotheticals.  Most cases are completely useless.  And class?  Please.  The last thing I need for the exam is more policy, except on the 15% policy question.

This is not entirely true.  In difficult areas of the law, reading the cases and attending class gives you a good idea about how to analyze a fact pattern under the BLL (or grey-letter law) that would otherwise be hard to learn.  I am an incredibly lazy student and not much for studying (never briefed, don't really outline, etc.), but I don't think this is very good advice.

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2008, 10:08:40 PM »
Wally doesn't actually have grades yet, does he?

No, of course not.

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2008, 10:51:31 PM »
Wally doesn't actually have grades yet, does he?

No, of course not.

No worse than comparing a literature major to law school while you're a 0L  :P

Damnit. :-[

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2008, 08:22:11 AM »
::laughs at all the 1L's who are still reading::


learned hand had a brother named noble hand.  i personally would have named them "right" and "left"

Now this is a question I've had, how do you get past the reading? I can see not doing briefs, but how do you not read and still do well? I don't doubt that it's possible, I just really don't see how.

Reading is totally useless.  IF you haven't realized that by now, you're in trouble.  Look at some past exams.  All you need to do well in a good understanding of the BLL and an ability to apply it to hypotheticals.  Most cases are completely useless.  And class?  Please.  The last thing I need for the exam is more policy, except on the 15% policy question.

This is not entirely true.  In difficult areas of the law, reading the cases and attending class gives you a good idea about how to analyze a fact pattern under the BLL (or grey-letter law) that would otherwise be hard to learn.  I am an incredibly lazy student and not much for studying (never briefed, don't really outline, etc.), but I don't think this is very good advice.

I agree with this completely. In fact I have found if you understand the reasoning in the cases, you can figure out the BLL without even knowing it. The case demonstrate the issues you should pick up on, knowing the BLL helps, but it wonít help you spot every issue. Itís the reasoning of the courts that determines why this rule does or does not apply, not the rule its self. That is what youíre going to need to do on the exam. Thats the "thinking like a lawyer" part that knowing every BLL in the class won't help you with at all. You need to be able to makethe arguements, anyone can look up the BLL, laywres need to be able to intrprate it to the facts at hand, that's legal reasoning.

As for not reading, I only read if its in class closed book exam. If itís a paper course or take home I read what I need to read to do the paper/exam and nothing more. By this time in law school you can pretty much figure things out by skimming and reading a few key cases for just about any subject.

Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2008, 08:52:49 AM »
::laughs at all the 1L's who are still reading::


learned hand had a brother named noble hand.  i personally would have named them "right" and "left"

Now this is a question I've had, how do you get past the reading? I can see not doing briefs, but how do you not read and still do well? I don't doubt that it's possible, I just really don't see how.

Reading is totally useless.  IF you haven't realized that by now, you're in trouble.  Look at some past exams.  All you need to do well in a good understanding of the BLL and an ability to apply it to hypotheticals.  Most cases are completely useless.  And class?  Please.  The last thing I need for the exam is more policy, except on the 15% policy question.

Also, I'm fairly certain that Wally is doing all of his reading.  I'm not sure where this advice comes from.

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2008, 09:03:40 AM »
::laughs at all the 1L's who are still reading::


learned hand had a brother named noble hand.  i personally would have named them "right" and "left"

Now this is a question I've had, how do you get past the reading? I can see not doing briefs, but how do you not read and still do well? I don't doubt that it's possible, I just really don't see how.

Reading is totally useless.  IF you haven't realized that by now, you're in trouble.  Look at some past exams.  All you need to do well in a good understanding of the BLL and an ability to apply it to hypotheticals.  Most cases are completely useless.  And class?  Please.  The last thing I need for the exam is more policy, except on the 15% policy question.

Also, I'm fairly certain that Wally is doing all of his reading.  I'm not sure where this advice comes from.



from a 1L who hasnt taken an exam yet?   :D :D :D

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2008, 07:10:50 PM »
Learned Hand is obviously the best judge.  Here's a few facts about him (credit: my classmates).

Learned Hand once overruled the law of gravity, because he could.

Learned Hand has jurisdiction everywhere, because by living in a world ruled by his laws, we have purposefully availed ourselves of him

Learned Hand's dissenting opinions are binding authority--forever.

Learned Hand invented the Mailbox Rule at a time that mailboxes did not exist.

When God created the first Earth, Learned Hand did not think it was good enough and remanded with instructions consistent with his opinion.

Learned hand skips the "discovery" phase of trial on grounds of his omniscience.

Nobody dissents from Learned Hand ... twice.

Love it.

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Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2008, 03:59:59 PM »
FYI, law school IS fun school at UVA until the major memo rolls around, but that's not until mid- to late-October or so.

Re: Just a Heads-Up: Law School Isn't Fun School
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2008, 07:30:53 PM »
This post is kind of misleading. Law school is not hard and no, you hardly ever read 50 pages a night. Plus, if you can seperate the BS from the real important stuff, law school becomes that much easier. It's certainly more intense than undergrad, where you pretty much do no work, but at the same time it's not something that I would call "hard" or extremely time consuming.