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Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2008, 09:00:00 PM »
No. :)

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2008, 09:37:42 AM »
I'm top 10% at a T2 and I got 20 interviews and 10 callbacks all from the vault 100.  But the thing is, even being top 10, I still didn't get interviews from any firms in the vault 20.  So as for the extremely prestigious, its difficult coming from a T2 even if you are top 10%.  But as far as big law, you have plenty of opportunities.

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2008, 12:57:44 PM »

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2008, 06:46:10 PM »
I 2nd what Yellow said -

Here's a screening interview at a T14 -

Interviewer - "Did you see Cosby last night?"
Interviewee - "Nah, I was at a callback."
Interviewer - "Want to come meet our team?"
Interviewee - "Ah... what the hell."
Interviewer - "Sweet, here's a free ipod shuffle"

Here's a screening interview at a tier 2 -

Interviewer - * eating a cheeseburger * "So what do you think you could bring to the firm?"
Interviewee - "Well... I'm a hard worker and I..."
Interviewer - "It takes more than work ethic to cut it in big law son... what was your LSAT?"
Interviewee - "Well... umm... NALP guidlines don't allow me to disclose that..."
Interviewer - "I don't blame them... that's some potentially career wrecking stuff. You can go now, unless you've got like, questions..."
Interviewee - "Actually, I do, how much collaboration..."
Interviewer - "Times up"

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2008, 07:21:36 PM »
I was talking to my 2L "friend" (well the term friend is being used loosely here as he is an appointed mentor and I am his mentee and this is obviously something that will be put on his resume to bolster it further, which, I suppose in the law school context, doesn't automatically disqualify him from friend status - it's more a probationary measure than anything else) about my post-1L biglaw job anxieties and he informed that if I fail to finish in the top 95% of my class Cravath might not be an option. This was not good news and it took me at least 2 minutes and 34 seconds (I count the seconds off in my head as I'm waiting for my heart rate to drop sub 185 beats per min) to regain the powers of speech. He looked as if the thought of calling for an ambulance crossed his mind. Apparently he is a stranger to full blown panic attacks .. rookie. Needless to say he told me about what to do and what not to do during a job interview. I asked if he had any "nightmare" interviews. He related this story:

"Well there was one firm that I wasn't really all that interested in; only a V20, you know?"

I nod emphatically, knowing exactly what he was talking about

"So I'm sitting there as you'd expect; I don't really mind answering all of their little questions - it's a part of the process, but then the interviewer had the audacity to say:

'Do you have any questions that you would like to ask me?'

Me: 'Are you serious? We have 35 minutes left...'

Interviewer: 'Of course I'm being serious - did I give the impression that I was not?'

Me: 'Well no.. it's just that, well.. 35 minutes for me to ask you questions? Come on, doesn't that strike you in the least bit as maybe being just slightly ridiculous? You and I both know why I am here, and it isn't because I enjoy the industrial chic decor of the lobby - what is this place, by the way, a Chipotle? I know your average first year billables, I know your practice areas, I know your first year salaries, and I know the average bonus per first year - what exactly is there left for us to talk about? Sure, I could waste our mutual time and ask you questions about your practice and you could filibuster about some case that you tried 23 years ago and I could zone out and dream about what it would be like to @#!* your undoubtedly disproportionately hot wife on your desk and I could sit there and nod in feigned interest and then I'd ask you about lifestyle and community and you'd talk about pro bono and I'd smile an impressed smile and raise my eyebrows to show approval and then you'd conclude that really what keeps you going is the caliber of the people that you work with ... except neither of us would believe a single word of it though your delivery would be so slick that maybe, for just a brief minute or two, you'd even have yourself convinced that the poo you're shoveling was grade-A authentic and then you'd give an obvious look at my resume to remind yourself of my name and you'd stand and then I'd stand and we'd shake hands and if you introduced yourself as Pat I'll say 'Good bye Patrick' and you'll say 'best of luck to you Steve' even though the name Sam was lingering on the tip of your tongue...

... and I'll leave your office and there in the hallway, while rejoicing in paroxysm of relief that stems from completing such an extreme exercise in banality, I will meet your secretary who will then guide me to the next office to repeat this horrible crime-of-a-process all over again. So, maybe you were serious, maybe you weren't - either way, it doesn't really matter at this point. I'm qualified and I'll work hard. Why don't we just cut the crap and make a decision now?'

I was escorted out of the building by security."

And now I am afraid to ask the next question as it might prove to myself that despite my (and his) spectacular resume, a V20 might actually turn me (and him) down should the interview be.. well... less than pristine.

"Did you, ummm, well ......... get an offer?"

And as soon as I ask I realize that I have committed a major faux pas, for now I have forced him into either admitting that he was turned by a V20 (God forbid that the word get out about this, his local rep would be ruined!) or lying about his rejection.

His shoulders shrink, and his eyes flash in disappointment - maybe in me asking the question, maybe in himself for not getting the offer .. the eyes move too quickly to get a solid read.

"Hmph, no .. no, no offer."

Awkward silence ensues.

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2008, 02:39:19 PM »
Detective Kimble:
What did you know about Paul Allen?
Pat Bateman:
I'm at a loss... He was a part of that whole "Yale" thing
Detective Kimble:
Yale thing? What is that?
Pat Bateman:
Well for one thing he was probably a closet homosexual who did alot of cocaine... THAT Yale thing.


Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2008, 11:51:31 AM »
Do you like Phil Collins?

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2008, 12:13:43 AM »
Being at a T2 school in this economic downturn is almost a recipe for disaster.  In a good market, they're looking for Top 10%, in a bad market, they're looking for Top 5% because they're aren't many spots left after the T14 kids have gabbled them up.  They interview T14 schools before they interview T2 schools so by the time they get to the T2, there's like 3 spots left.

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2008, 06:43:04 PM »
Actually, there is room left... so long as you're like, a gay puerto rican. HUGE DIVERSITY POINTS.

Re: Job Prospects for Tier 2 Schools
« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2008, 06:58:22 PM »
I can attest to what the poster two above me said.  I'm in the top 10% but not top 5% and it's been hell trying to get an offer from anywhere.