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Why am I not progressing with self-study?

Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2008, 12:19:43 PM »
Why does this seem to happen on most threads in this Forum? It seems as though 90% of all threads in "Studying for the LSAT" get derailed by Julie Fern and Cliff007.

It is frustrating to post well-considered, thoughtful advice only to realize that it is hidden between pages of nonsensical rambling between Cliff007 and Julie Fern.

Generally, the best strategy is to ignore them as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. There have been threads where I've spent an hour carefully answering the question of someone who legitimately needs advice. I come back a few days later only to find that these two have filled the following 4 pages with their tomfoolery. The thread dies, and the advice is never read by more than a few people who happened upon it before the thread was denigrated. This discourages individuals like me from posting legitimate advice, it makes it difficult or impossible for people in real need of advice to receive it. These absurd digressions are hurting the "Studying for the LSAT" board, and they are hurting the people who come here for help.

Julie Fern and Cliff007: I understand that you two are just having fun, but please consider how your posts are effecting those who come here to give/receive legitimate advice and engage in an actual intellectual discourse about a very difficult exam. Limiting this sort of behavior to Off-Topic boards would be very much appreciated.

Lindbergh: Replying to them only encourages them... and contributes to the pages of text that people have to sift through to finally find any real advice. 

EarlCat: Is there anything that you can do as a moderator to control and/or limit this?

Thanks!
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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2008, 02:02:57 PM »
I agree with HYSHopeful's post.

Whenever I'm on LSD I have to look left, and if it says 'Julie Fern' or 'cliff007' I skip it. It's annoying, and I'm sure many others are equally annoyed when they lose a minute of their life reading a worthless post.

Cliff, I un-shunned you long enough to read what you wrote above. You really do have horrible writing and reasoning skills. If you do happen to escape the mechanisms the admissions process has in place, and you get into a decent law school, I have no doubt that you will perform as poorly as you communicate.

Re-shun.


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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #42 on: August 02, 2008, 02:14:42 PM »
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I think though there is a difference between having fun OT banter in threads and completely derailing them and discouraging people from posting. I'm not saying I offer nearly as much excellent advice as HYSHopeful but so often now I start typing out a response and just hit the 'back' button because I know someone will nitpick at my phrasing and take what I was trying to say out of context to prove their point/their superiority/their great comedic prowess. I'm not saying I have a problem with this happening on occasion, but I'm sure there are other useful posters who feel the same way and thus fail to help out the OP. I also think there's a difference between moderating a topic so that the 20 OT posts are moved to the proper area and censorship/communist China. I was attracted to this board over TLS because the people here seem more interesting/intelligent, I prefer the layout, and think a lot of the questions posed are genuinely useful but when the majority of topics lately get derailed by mindless chit chat and the same conversations over and over, it's offputting. That said, I think part of the reason that's happening is because it's summer and a lot of people have nothing better to do.

Anyway, I actually came into this thread to give my own insights before I read HYSHopeful's post. I think part of self study is that, after you've done the bibles, super prep, and whatever else you really need to keep at it with the PT's. I know I've said it elsewhere, and it's different for everyone, but the PT's is where I've seen the biggest jump in improvement. I note down my mood, all my observations and patterns and learn from how I take the test. RC for example, I was originally getting about -7 wrong. This was surprising to me at the time because I'm an avid reader, I expected it to be my best and on the ACT I got a perfect score on that section. But of course, the LSAT isn't the ACT and it's not there to test exactly the same things. You need to put those preconceptions aside. After reading Super Prep I was still having difficulty. Following my Testmasters weekend course, I figured out a better way to approach the section and was generally getting about -4. However, I still kept missing one or two certain types of questions. Once I figured out what my problem was with this section, I generally can get -1 or -2 in RC with a minute or two to spare. And hopefully I can get that down to 0 with more and more practice. As EarlCat says (and forgive me if I take liberties), taking the LSAT is like playing an instrument. The more you practice, the better you get. Yes, some people are born with a more innate ability than others, all that means is you have to work harder to compensate. The more you practice, the more your mind understands and works in tune with the LSAT, the more aware you are with your problem areas and faults. So practice practice practice.

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #43 on: August 02, 2008, 04:43:08 PM »
Get used to getting nitpicked and instead of backing down in those situations you instead step up to the plate, argue your case and fight for your position. Quiet lawyers that back down when fought against are wimpy and are typically not effective advocates and do not achieve much success, nor are they respected or taken seriously by their peers.  The word 'posturing' comes to mind.

It's probably a good thing no one is here to test their lawyering skills then.  We are here to give and seek advice on the LSAT.  There is no question all your wildly off topic ranting is detrimental to the purpose of this forum.  Besides trashing what would otherwise be useful threads you are turning this forum into another TLS.  The forum you yourself advocated against for the same reasons you are ruining this forum.  Take a look at your posts and really think hard about how they are any different from any of the crap you hate about TLS.  We've all posted off topic crap for the sake of fun, you just take it so much further.  Anyway, I'm done with my off-topic rant.  It isn't like you are going to really pay attention to any of this anyway. 

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #44 on: August 02, 2008, 05:14:34 PM »

It should be noted that subject matter interest is just one factor in determining the difficulty of a passage. As noted, complexity level is another, as are the difficulty of the questions themselves. None of this contradicts the idea that one should generally work through the passages in order of difficulty if they wish to maximize their points.

difficulty level, which what norming measure, already reflect such factors as "complexity level" no less than, as alreadxy mentioned, "ienterest level."

presumably you believe your tutees impressed by these fictions.  if so, good for you and bad for them.

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #45 on: August 02, 2008, 05:17:10 PM »
Well Julie, Jeffort mentioned to me in a conversation once that he refered tutoring students in socal to Lindbergh, so that's enough cred for me.

and so apparently lindbergh continue to give out at least some patently inaccurate information.

wrong is wrong.

Let's see, I believe that students should tackle the reading comp passages/questions (and all other areas) in order of perceived difficulty, and julie feels they should all be done in order, because she feels the LSAT has graciously already set them up in order of difficulty.

Doing them in order of difficulty clearly makes sense, as this is the most efficient way to get through the exam and maximize your points, given that all questions are worth the same amount of points, and time is limited.

The only real question, therefore, is whether the LSAT does in fact generously set up all questions, passages, games, etc, in order of difficulty. I have seen no evidence that they do, and, in fact, according to my own experience, and the experience of the students I have worked with, this is not in fact the case.


still ignorant of norming data, julie see.  look like weak research skills.

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #46 on: August 02, 2008, 05:20:13 PM »
Dude, wtf?

And what happened to my earlier post in this thread???

it still there.  beautifully done, too.  julie sort of agree with you, depending what you mean by "self preparation."

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #47 on: August 02, 2008, 05:29:17 PM »
Why does this seem to happen on most threads in this Forum? It seems as though 90% of all threads in "Studying for the LSAT" get derailed by Julie Fern and Cliff007.

It is frustrating to post well-considered, thoughtful advice only to realize that it is hidden between pages of nonsensical rambling between Cliff007 and Julie Fern.

Generally, the best strategy is to ignore them as much as possible. Unfortunately, it is becoming harder and harder to do so. There have been threads where I've spent an hour carefully answering the question of someone who legitimately needs advice. I come back a few days later only to find that these two have filled the following 4 pages with their tomfoolery. The thread dies, and the advice is never read by more than a few people who happened upon it before the thread was denigrated. This discourages individuals like me from posting legitimate advice, it makes it difficult or impossible for people in real need of advice to receive it. These absurd digressions are hurting the "Studying for the LSAT" board, and they are hurting the people who come here for help.

Julie Fern and Cliff007: I understand that you two are just having fun, but please consider how your posts are effecting those who come here to give/receive legitimate advice and engage in an actual intellectual discourse about a very difficult exam. Limiting this sort of behavior to Off-Topic boards would be very much appreciated.

Lindbergh: Replying to them only encourages them... and contributes to the pages of text that people have to sift through to finally find any real advice.

EarlCat: Is there anything that you can do as a moderator to control and/or limit this?

Thanks!
-HYSHopeful

90%?  that absolute blather.  do little empirical research, hon.

and julie has been addressing lsat on this board, dear, in particular that lindbergh not know ass from hole in ground.  julie guess you not know much. more than him.  how much you pay him for that tutoring, anyway?

respond or not, it all same to julie.  lindbergh just trying salvage what left of his reputation, whatever that may have been.

noob such as yourself presumably unaware that there long-standing tradition on lsd that discussion of lsat can be done without keeping in place that huge stick some posters have up their ass. actually, julie propose ban both humorless preppies and misinformed "experts," but these pleas unheeded.

so, to review:  rebut, agree, joke back, ignore.  you have many options.  you chose complain.  congratulations.

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #48 on: August 02, 2008, 05:31:09 PM »
I agree with HYSHopeful's post.

Whenever I'm on LSD I have to look left, and if it says 'Julie Fern' or 'cliff007' I skip it. It's annoying, and I'm sure many others are equally annoyed when they lose a minute of their life reading a worthless post.

Cliff, I un-shunned you long enough to read what you wrote above. You really do have horrible writing and reasoning skills. If you do happen to escape the mechanisms the admissions process has in place, and you get into a decent law school, I have no doubt that you will perform as poorly as you communicate.

Re-shun.



judging from this post, if julie ever had noticed you, julie be ignoring you, too.

but, by all means, follow lindbergh's advice.  you be getting what you deserve.

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Re: Why am I not progressing with self-study?
« Reply #49 on: August 04, 2008, 07:05:37 PM »
self-study and not progressing go hand in hand, imo. 

So do you suggest a specific alternative?  A certain course or a tutor?

I don't ever recommend a specific course unless I know who is teaching it.  But I do recommend finding a pro to work with you, either through tutoring or a course.  Books don't give feedback on your bad habits.