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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2009, 12:33:20 PM »
male anti-intellectualism?

The argument is not "whether AA works" it is "should AA continue." The answer for women is a clear no, at least in most educational settings (science still has some work to do).

Arguing about whether AA has benefited women is just a way of avoiding the more uncomfortable race issues underlying the current debate about AA.
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2009, 12:49:37 PM »
Arguing about whether AA has benefited women is just a way of avoiding the more uncomfortable race issues underlying the current debate about AA.

I roughly agree with this as it applies to this thread and threads like it, though such a discussion may be worthwhile in assessing the value of affirmative action programs.
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2009, 12:58:56 PM »
Arguing about whether AA has benefited women is just a way of avoiding the more uncomfortable race issues underlying the current debate about AA.

I roughly agree with this as it applies to this thread and threads like it, though such a discussion may be worthwhile in assessing the value of affirmative action programs.

180.
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2009, 02:00:41 PM »
male anti-intellectualism?

The argument is not "whether AA works" it is "should AA continue." The answer for women is a clear no, at least in most educational settings (science still has some work to do).

Arguing about whether AA has benefited women is just a way of avoiding the more uncomfortable race issues underlying the current debate about AA.

I don't know about that; it seems if at one time there was affirmative action for women, and such affirmative action produced "good" results, then that would be a persuasive argument for the continuation of affirmative action in the racial context.  If, however, affirmative action has not helped women achieve rough equality in post-secondary education, perhaps they relied on something else.  And knowing this something else might be beneficial in helping blacks achieve the same sort of equality for themselves.
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2009, 02:05:53 PM »
That assumes you believe there is a genuine disparity. Most opponents of AA do not. Instead they believe that anyone who wants to succeed can do so through hard work. (Thanks, Kalvin!!  >:()
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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2009, 02:07:09 PM »
I don't know about that; it seems if at one time there was affirmative action for women, and such affirmative action produced "good" results, then that would be a persuasive argument for the continuation of affirmative action in the racial context.  If, however, affirmative action has not helped women achieve rough equality in post-secondary education, perhaps they relied on something else.  And knowing this something else might be beneficial in helping blacks achieve the same sort of equality for themselves.

This is basically what I said or meant.
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2009, 02:26:29 PM »
I don't know about that; it seems if at one time there was affirmative action for women, and such affirmative action produced "good" results, then that would be a persuasive argument for the continuation of affirmative action in the racial context.  If, however, affirmative action has not helped women achieve rough equality in post-secondary education, perhaps they relied on something else.  And knowing this something else might be beneficial in helping blacks achieve the same sort of equality for themselves.

This is basically what I said or meant.

Oh, we agree!  And in an affirmative action thread, too! 
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2009, 02:57:08 PM »
I don't know about that; it seems if at one time there was affirmative action for women, and such affirmative action produced "good" results, then that would be a persuasive argument for the continuation of affirmative action in the racial context.  If, however, affirmative action has not helped women achieve rough equality in post-secondary education, perhaps they relied on something else.  And knowing this something else might be beneficial in helping blacks achieve the same sort of equality for themselves.

This is basically what I said or meant.

Oh, we agree!  And in an affirmative action thread, too! 

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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2009, 05:59:45 PM »
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Re: AA: The belief that URM's are inherently inferior, and can't compete
« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2009, 06:34:25 PM »
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