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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2008, 01:02:55 AM »
AA is racism. Stop pretending it's not.

In fact, I don't see any of you URMs fighting to have Asians included as an AA minority seeing as how we were "colored" people too. Oh yeah, we actually figured out (a long time ago) that education is somehow important.

And yes, AA creates stigmatization of minority achievements. Nearly every URM at a remotely decent school will generally assumed to be an AA candidate who is underqualified compared to others.

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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2008, 09:25:53 AM »
Nearly every URM at a remotely decent school will generally assumed to be an AA candidate who is underqualified compared to others.

Funny.  My educational institution is, as best as I can tell, at least "remotely decent," and I don't usually assume that my URM classmates are underqualified compared to others.  Perhaps it's just me and I'm defective in some way.

Does the colour blue count as URM? Maybe if you were a super-intelligent shade of green you'd feel differently.
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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2008, 10:59:16 AM »
AA is racism. Stop pretending it's not.

In fact, I don't see any of you URMs fighting to have Asians included as an AA minority seeing as how we were "colored" people too. Oh yeah, we actually figured out (a long time ago) that education is somehow important.

And yes, AA creates stigmatization of minority achievements. Nearly every URM at a remotely decent school will generally assumed to be an AA candidate who is underqualified compared to others.


lol. This is the most ridiculous thing ever.
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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2008, 11:04:35 AM »
Nearly every URM at a remotely decent school will generally assumed to be an AA candidate who is underqualified compared to others.

Funny.  My educational institution is, as best as I can tell, at least "remotely decent," and I don't usually assume that my URM classmates are underqualified compared to others.  Perhaps it's just me and I'm defective in some way.

Don't you just love how people make the anti-AA argument, and couch it in terms of "I'm just looking out for you--I don't want people to assume you got in here because of your race"?

Hundreds of years of institutional racism was bad, but THAT would be horrible!

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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2008, 11:06:51 AM »
AA is racism. Stop pretending it's not.

In fact, I don't see any of you URMs fighting to have Asians included as an AA minority seeing as how we were "colored" people too. Oh yeah, we actually figured out (a long time ago) that education is somehow important.

And yes, AA creates stigmatization of minority achievements. Nearly every URM at a remotely decent school will generally assumed to be an AA candidate who is underqualified compared to others.


lol. This is the most ridiculous thing ever.

Yeah.  "When I think negative things about other people, it's not because of the way I am.  It's because of someone else and their program."

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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2008, 11:21:41 AM »
I think to be more accurate this thread should be retitled: "Imagine how much better race relations would be if [insert group you don't like here] did not exist so they could not take [insert your master race here] place at schools."
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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2008, 05:08:32 PM »
Whites and asians would universally respect the achievements of URM's.  No URM achievements would be stigmatized.  Truly disadvantaged URMs (and whites, asians, etc.) could he assisted in a non-racist manner.  People would be in positions where they belonged, and could handle the work.  Employers could trust that a degree meant exactly what it was supposed to mean.

What a harmonious world it would be!

WOW dude slow down. we get the point u hate AA. no need 100x threads

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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2008, 05:10:39 PM »
Whites and asians would universally respect the achievements of URM's.  No URM achievements would be stigmatized.  Truly disadvantaged URMs (and whites, asians, etc.) could he assisted in a non-racist manner.  People would be in positions where they belonged, and could handle the work.  Employers could trust that a degree meant exactly what it was supposed to mean.

What a harmonious world it would be!

WOW dude slow down. we get the point u hate AA. no need 100x threads

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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2008, 06:18:04 PM »
...People would be in positions where they belonged, and could handle the work.
::) 

You continue to act as if AA is the problem without addressing the more fundamental and systemic forces that helped create the need for this remedial program in the first place.  I'm  especially concerned with your notion of where people "belong."  The idea that certain people had "a place" in society helped create the mess we're in and, if we're not careful, will keep the best choice in this historic election from  the position that he *DESERVES*  - no matter whether you think he "belongs" there.

http://www.redroom.com/blog/tim-wise/this-your-nation-white-privilege

This is Your Nation on White Privilege
September 13, 2008, 2:01 pm
By Tim Wise

For those who still can’t grasp the concept of white privilege, or who are constantly looking for some easy-to-understand examples of it, perhaps this list will help.

White privilege is when you can get pregnant at seventeen like Bristol Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

White privilege is when you can call yourself a “f-in’ redneck,” like Bristol Palin’s boyfriend does, and talk about how if anyone messes with you, you'll “kick their f-in' ass,” and talk about how you like to “shoot poo” for fun, and still be viewed as a responsible, all-American boy (and a great son-in-law to be) rather than a thug.

White privilege is when you can attend four different colleges in six years like Sarah Palin did (one of which you basically failed out of, then returned to after making up some coursework at a community college), and no one questions your intelligence or commitment to achievement, whereas a person of color who did this would be viewed as unfit for college, and probably someone who only got in in the first place because of affirmative action.

White privilege is when you can claim that being mayor of a town smaller than most medium-sized colleges, and then Governor of a state with about the same number of people as the lower fifth of the island of Manhattan, makes you ready to potentially be president, and people don’t all piss on themselves with laughter, while being a black U.S. Senator, two-term state Senator, and constitutional law scholar, means you’re “untested.”


White privilege is being able to say that you support the words “under God” in the pledge of allegiance because “if it was good enough for the founding fathers, it’s good enough for me,” and not be immediately disqualified from holding office--since, after all, the pledge was written in the late 1800s and the “under God” part wasn’t added until the 1950s--while believing that reading accused criminals and terrorists their rights (because, ya know, the Constitution, which you used to teach at a prestigious law school requires it), is a dangerous and silly idea only supported by mushy liberals.


White privilege is being able to be a gun enthusiast and not make people immediately scared of you.


White privilege is being able to have a husband who was a member of an extremist political party that wants your state to secede from the Union, and whose motto was “Alaska first,” and no one questions your patriotism or that of your family, while if you're black and your spouse merely fails to come to a 9/11 memorial so she can be home with her kids on the first day of school, people immediately think she’s being disrespectful.


White privilege is being able to make fun of community organizers and the work they do--like, among other things, fight for the right of women to vote, or for civil rights, or the 8-hour workday, or an end to child labor--and people think you’re being pithy and tough, but if you merely question the experience of a small town mayor and 18-month governor with no foreign policy expertise beyond a class she took in college--you’re somehow being mean, or even sexist.


White privilege is being able to convince white women who don’t even agree with you on any substantive issue to vote for you and your running mate anyway, because all of a sudden your presence on the ticket has inspired confidence in these same white women, and made them give your party a “second look.”


White privilege is being able to fire people who didn’t support your political campaigns and not be accused of abusing your power or being a typical politician who engages in favoritism, while being black and merely knowing some folks from the old-line political machines in Chicago means you must be corrupt.


White privilege is being able to attend churches over the years whose pastors say that people who voted for John Kerry or merely criticize George W. Bush are going to hell, and that the U.S. is an explicitly Christian nation and the job of Christians is to bring Christian theological principles into government, and who bring in speakers who say the conflict in the Middle East is God’s punishment on Jews for rejecting Jesus, and everyone can still think you’re just a good church-going Christian, but if you’re black and friends with a black pastor who has noted (as have Colin Powell and the U.S. Department of Defense) that terrorist attacks are often the result of U.S. foreign policy and who talks about the history of racism and its effect on black people, you’re an extremist who probably hates America.


White privilege is not knowing what the Bush Doctrine is when asked by a reporter, and then people get angry at the reporter for asking you such a “trick question,” while being black and merely refusing to give one-word answers to the queries of Bill O’Reilly means you’re dodging the question, or trying to seem overly intellectual and nuanced.


White privilege is being able to claim your experience as a POW has anything at all to do with your fitness for president, while being black and experiencing racism is, as Sarah Palin has referred to it a “light” burden.


And finally, white privilege is the only thing that could possibly allow someone to become president when he has voted with George W. Bush 90 percent of the time, even as unemployment is skyrocketing, people are losing their homes, inflation is rising, and the U.S. is increasingly isolated from world opinion, just because white voters aren’t sure about that whole “change” thing. Ya know, it’s just too vague and ill-defined, unlike, say, four more years of the same, which is very concrete and certain…


White privilege is, in short, the problem.

...Employers could trust that a degree meant exactly what it was supposed to mean.
Maybe employers could just begin to trust people who didn't look like them.  Perhaps we can just start with baby steps. 

It says a lot though that you have a skepticism of the degrees of people that **YOU** unilaterally have determined must have benefited from AA.  Walk me through the thought process (and each step of skepticism, if any) that you go through when you meet a white person with a particular degree or position.  Begin with Sarah Palin.  Thanks.
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Re: Imagine how much better race relations would be w/o racial AA
« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2008, 10:56:15 AM »
Affirmative Action= Reverse racism.
I thought the point was to get ride of racism world wide... Supporting something that induces it seems a bit counterproductive
I'm a minority and I think its wrong, besides it only really benefits one minority group.

Can't argue that.