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Criminal Record... what to expect

Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2008, 10:01:27 PM »
But, DontQuestionMe, you seem to be ignoring the indisputable FACT that Budlaw MUST be right because he punctuates his posts with ALLCAPS whereas you, at least initially, managed to respond more calmly :) 

It is just unreal, because Illinois is known as one of the easiest states in the country to get an expungment. I had some stupid stuff on my record. It did not stop me from getting into T1 law schools, it will not stop me gaining admission to the bar or anything else. I got an expungment, I wrote my addendums, I fessed up, I sought the advice of legal counsel, turns out, none of these items which were freaking me out are a big deal.

It isn't like the OP is a convicted sex offender, murderer, drug kingpin, etc. These are stupid misdemeanor mistakes young people make. I not only know from personal experience Budlaw is wrong, but I have spoken to Character and Fitness board members in two states who have told me he is wrong. The guy simply does not know what he is talking about.

Lawyers are not perfect people. Everyone makes stupid mistakes when they are young. A misdemeanor pot bust and MIP are not something ANYONE cares about! I know NORML lawyers who openly advocate and USE marijuana. I personally know people who have put marijuana use on their Character and Fitness disclosure sheet, without a problem, it happens in California all of the time.

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Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2008, 09:46:52 AM »

And one more thing. Getting a record expunged in Illinois isn't so easy.

You retard, I just had something expunged in Illinois and it took all of about 30 seconds for a judge to the sign the order, the order to be sent off to the state police, local police and city attorney. You are such a fricken joke. Stop giving advice you retard. I didn't even have to supply background information or tell the Judge why I wanted the expungment. I am seriously laughing at you right now. You are an idiot.

You're the idiot. If your dumba$$ would have looked at the links I posted you would have seen that you can't get a pot possession record expunged in Illinois until 5 years after you get off of supervision.

You're the joke. I'm sorry you want to be right about everything, but you're too big of an idiot to see that you're wrong.

So are you trying to say that the OP won't have a more difficult time? You're a tool. Anytime you have anything on your record they look at it more harshly. Just because its "not a big deal" in Michigan doesn't mean it won't be in some jurisdictions. Once again, READ MY POST. I said the OP would have a more difficult time. I didn't say it was impossible to be admitted.

God you're an idiot.

And again, I'm not a 1L you f*cking retard. I just graduated and I'm studying for the bar. Once again READ before you spout off.

Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2008, 12:08:06 PM »

And one more thing. Getting a record expunged in Illinois isn't so easy.

You retard, I just had something expunged in Illinois and it took all of about 30 seconds for a judge to the sign the order, the order to be sent off to the state police, local police and city attorney. You are such a fricken joke. Stop giving advice you retard. I didn't even have to supply background information or tell the Judge why I wanted the expungment. I am seriously laughing at you right now. You are an idiot.

You're the idiot. If your dumba$$ would have looked at the links I posted you would have seen that you can't get a pot possession record expunged in Illinois until 5 years after you get off of supervision.

You're the joke. I'm sorry you want to be right about everything, but you're too big of an idiot to see that you're wrong.

So are you trying to say that the OP won't have a more difficult time? You're a tool. Anytime you have anything on your record they look at it more harshly. Just because its "not a big deal" in Michigan doesn't mean it won't be in some jurisdictions. Once again, READ MY POST. I said the OP would have a more difficult time. I didn't say it was impossible to be admitted.

God you're an idiot.

And again, I'm not a 1L you f*cking retard. I just graduated and I'm studying for the bar. Once again READ before you spout off.

Had you graduated from anything you would not be engaging in this argument. You have been proven wrong time and again. So, I am calling you out as a liar.  ;D

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Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2008, 05:15:14 PM »

And one more thing. Getting a record expunged in Illinois isn't so easy.

You retard, I just had something expunged in Illinois and it took all of about 30 seconds for a judge to the sign the order, the order to be sent off to the state police, local police and city attorney. You are such a fricken joke. Stop giving advice you retard. I didn't even have to supply background information or tell the Judge why I wanted the expungment. I am seriously laughing at you right now. You are an idiot.

You're the idiot. If your dumba$$ would have looked at the links I posted you would have seen that you can't get a pot possession record expunged in Illinois until 5 years after you get off of supervision.

You're the joke. I'm sorry you want to be right about everything, but you're too big of an idiot to see that you're wrong.

So are you trying to say that the OP won't have a more difficult time? You're a tool. Anytime you have anything on your record they look at it more harshly. Just because its "not a big deal" in Michigan doesn't mean it won't be in some jurisdictions. Once again, READ MY POST. I said the OP would have a more difficult time. I didn't say it was impossible to be admitted.

God you're an idiot.

And again, I'm not a 1L you f*cking retard. I just graduated and I'm studying for the bar. Once again READ before you spout off.

Had you graduated from anything you would not be engaging in this argument. You have been proven wrong time and again. So, I am calling you out as a liar.  ;D


It's hard to be wrong when I'm basing my arguments on factual information that is readily available and in print form.  ;D

In any event, it was a waste of my time to even try to argue facts and logic with someone like yourself. Hence, my not responding to your post until now.

Enjoy your life of being a complete tool.  :-*

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Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2008, 11:55:01 AM »
What would happen to someone who got busted with a small about of marijuana while already attending law school? What about furnishing alcohol to underages (over 18 but under 21)?

Just curious, since these are very typical laws for people in their 20's to break but don't seem to be that big of deals compared to most other crimes.

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Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2008, 11:08:38 AM »

And killing your brain cells.  And ruining your health.  And giving you cancer.  And causing you to kill people (and yourself) while driving. Etc.


You know Lindbergh, I generally take your side on this board, but I really have to disagree with these assertions. Based on the research I have done, marijuana doesn't kill brain cells -- it just paralyzes some temporarily until the chemical wears off a few days later. I also have never encountered any evidence that marijuana users have an increased risk for cancer; CNN ran a story online a few months ago stating as much. This may be due to the chemical nature of pot or the fact that pot smokers generally smoke much, much less of it than a cigarette smoker smokes of tobacco over a lifetime. And finally, while driving under the influence of marijuana undoubtedly affects one's driving skills, the driving impairment is much less than alcohol (because marijuana has little effect on reflexes) and probably comparable or less than driving while angry, while taking a sip of a drink, eating fries, etc. Also, from the research I have done, marijuana withdrawal can happen but is extremely mild compared to other drugs. Withdrawal symptoms typically include sleeplessness and crankiness but not much else; this is about the same severity as caffeine.

So is pot bad? Yeah, but only a little. I don't personally smoke it, but would fight for its legalization.

Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2008, 01:36:37 PM »

And killing your brain cells.  And ruining your health.  And giving you cancer.  And causing you to kill people (and yourself) while driving. Etc.


You know Lindbergh, I generally take your side on this board, but I really have to disagree with these assertions. Based on the research I have done, marijuana doesn't kill brain cells -- it just paralyzes some temporarily until the chemical wears off a few days later. I also have never encountered any evidence that marijuana users have an increased risk for cancer; CNN ran a story online a few months ago stating as much. This may be due to the chemical nature of pot or the fact that pot smokers generally smoke much, much less of it than a cigarette smoker smokes of tobacco over a lifetime. And finally, while driving under the influence of marijuana undoubtedly affects one's driving skills, the driving impairment is much less than alcohol (because marijuana has little effect on reflexes) and probably comparable or less than driving while angry, while taking a sip of a drink, eating fries, etc. Also, from the research I have done, marijuana withdrawal can happen but is extremely mild compared to other drugs. Withdrawal symptoms typically include sleeplessness and crankiness but not much else; this is about the same severity as caffeine.

So is pot bad? Yeah, but only a little. I don't personally smoke it, but would fight for its legalization.

As far as I'm aware the only study that ever suggested that marijuana kills brain cells was done on 4 monkeys in the '70s and has since been discredited by larger and more controlled studies that were similar in nature.

Not only that, a research article that appeared in the Journal of Clinical Investigation a few years back claims that in a study done on rats a synthetic chemical similar to the active ingredient in marijuana was actually linked to an increase in the growth rate of certain brain cells in the hippocampus by 40%. Its hardly conclusive as to the question of how actual marijuana affects the human brain, but it does make one wonder about the whole 'pot kills brain cells' crap that people have been spewing for so long.  http://www.jci.org/articles/view/JCI25509.  Here is a short article that summarizes the study: http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8155.


Re: Criminal Record... what to expect
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2008, 09:17:17 PM »
Its hardly conclusive as to the question of how actual marijuana affects the human brain, but it does make one wonder about the whole 'pot kills brain cells' crap that people have been spewing for so long. 

I assume the CNS becomes oxygen-starved whenever a person breathes concentrated smoke of any sort.



I'm sorry to ressurect this guy, but I needed to ask a similar question. I have some "youthful indiscretions" from over 4 years ago, and I was wondering whether I need to include this in the application or explain in to the Bar.