Simple and short answer: medical care is provided but immediately after it is provided the family is forced to deport.
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Quote from: wrhssaxensemble on June 20, 2008, 10:29:05 AMHonestly, I think no hearing is necessary. I only have time to address this one right now. Work to do, etc.No hearing necessary? What if I'm an American citizen who just happens to look hispanic, has a hispanic name, and I just happen to be caught somewhere with my wallet in my other pants?Me: no really, my mother was born in texas and my father was born in new york city. I was born here!INS: No ID, no stay.Me: Ah come on man, at least take me by my place to get my ID.INS: No time for that, 11,999,999 more illegals to round up.No photo ID = flight to Mexico City?No.
Honestly, I think no hearing is necessary.
Quote from: wrhssaxensemble on June 20, 2008, 10:29:05 AMSimple and short answer: medical care is provided but immediately after it is provided the family is forced to deport. That certainly would not have a chilling effect on people seeking care for serious health problems for themselves or their children.
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Quote from: goaliechica on June 20, 2008, 10:37:30 AMQuote from: wrhssaxensemble on June 20, 2008, 10:29:05 AMSimple and short answer: medical care is provided but immediately after it is provided the family is forced to deport. That certainly would not have a chilling effect on people seeking care for serious health problems for themselves or their children. I am not sure I entirely understand what you mean. But for the more serious issues, it would have to be on a case by case basis. But there is no reason they have to get some of the more advanced medical care here (cancer treatments etc.). I have always thought it kind of funny how the same people who say our medical system is awful and needs to be taken over by the government are the same people who say it is our job to care for the health of illegals because we have a better system than they do back home. Not accusing you or anyone else of thinking that but just seems so nonsensical of a view to me
Good points all around....I propose a hybrid.1. Build the wall (yes, expensive but I'm sure a fraction of just the daily cost of operations in say Iraq...to put it in perspective). 2. Give the border patrol the equipment/people/authority to do their job. UAVs, more personnel, etc. Maybe even have Guard units augment.3. Institute reformed legal immigration rules.4. Institute a national ID. Yes, I know all the conspiracy theories, and I'm a libertarian...I know the arguments. In my opinion it is a necessary program in our day in age. A general database of who is who. Nothing more. I don't have a problem with that, as long as it doesnt track anything else.I think it's unrealistic to think we can round up and kick out so many people from our country. Like it or not they are an important part of our economy and society. Yes, our society too. There will be so many 'humanity' cases if we were to round them up and get them out it, would make our heads spin. Which leads me to:4. Once our borders are 'secure', our immigration policy more realistic, amnesty everyone...start all over. The illegals become legal, we collect taxes on their labor, all the gray areas disappear. We can absorb those numbers, we already have them. All these factors combined should allow us to more effeciently control immigration, legal or otherwise. Securing our borders, being able to quickly and accurately distingush citizens and non-citizens, along with a strong and realistic policy/law to me are absoloute musts for anything to work.