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June LSAT Epilogue

June LSAT Epilogue
« on: June 15, 2008, 04:19:52 PM »
Hey Guys,

Thought I would go ahead and start this thread for when we get back from the test tomorrow.  I figured it would be a good way to blow off steam.  Good Luck everyone! 

Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 01:43:29 AM »
Eagerly anticipating this thread...

Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 12:21:17 PM »

“The Law School Admission Council (LSAC) understands and sympathizes with the anxiety that the LSAT causes test takers and their strong desire to discuss with their peers the questions that they have just taken on the LSAT.  However, LSAC prohibits such discussion, including the so-called “postmortem” discussion of test questions immediately after a particular test administration, because it has the potential to affect the fairness of the LSAT and the law school admission process. Certain LSATs are non-disclosed and their questions may be used again at a later administration of the test.  And even in the case of disclosed tests there may be circumstances in which LSAC may need to administer a test form to some test takers somewhat later than to others.  Discussion of test questions in a public forum like a website before the test is disclosed, even though its usefulness is limited by the memory and ability of the participants, makes information about that test widely available to anyone who has access to the web and may unfairly advantage test takers who see the discussion before they take the test. Since the number of admission places in law schools is limited, such an unfair advantage could penalize those who took the test at an earlier time, including those very people engaging in the post-mortem discussion.

In an effort to ensure the fairness of the LSAT, LSAC requires test takers to sign a statement on the LSAT answer sheet saying that they agree not to “copy or retain examination questions or to transmit them to or discuss them with any other person in any form.” In addition, test takers sign a certification statement on the LSAT admission ticket agreeing that they have “no right to reproduce, recreate, distribute, or sell any of that test.”  In this statement they also certify that they “understand that the Law School Admission Council reserves the right to pursue all suitable courses of action to prevent fraudulent or unauthorized use of its property and to prevent the compromise of secure test material.”  Thus, test takers enter into a contract with LSAC that they will not discuss with others the test questions they have taken. In addition, LSAC’s “Instructions for the Day of the Test” state: “Legal action may be taken against anyone who removes test materials and/or reproduces test material in any way, or shares LSAT test content prior to LSAC’s disclosure of that test.”

If inappropriate public discussion of test questions on public websites reaches a point at which it threatens to undermine the fairness of the LSAT, injuring LSAT test takers, or at which it damages the value of non-disclosed LSAT test forms, LSAC would be compelled to take appropriate action to prevent such injury or damage.  These actions could include reporting violators to the LSAC Misconduct Committee.  Admission to the bar and the practice of law impose high standards of conduct and LSAC member law schools take very seriously the integrity of the candidates they admit.

LSAC does not seek to take special steps to enforce its prohibition on the inappropriate discussion of test questions.  We would prefer that test takers recognize that compromising test questions before they have been disclosed by LSAC runs counter to the general interest of test takers in a fair testing process, as well as to the personal interest of those discussing the questions, and voluntarily refrain from discussing LSAT questions until after they have been disclosed to test takers by LSAC.  However, we believe that we have an obligation to both our law school members and our test takers to protect the fairness and integrity of the LSAT and the law school admission process, and we take that obligation very seriously.

Jim Vaseleck
Executive Assistant to the President and Associate Counsel, LSAC”




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Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 04:03:59 PM »
Glad test is over... I feel very confident, and I hope everyone else does as well.

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Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 04:09:23 PM »
Final Thoughts:  I annihilated the games section.  I killed it, then dug its body up and stabbed it through its heart with a silver dagger...  RC was pretty straightforward, the rest is up for grabs.  :D  Overall pretty confident of a 160+, will likely take again in October though--effin logic.

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Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 04:24:11 PM »
Pretty sure I could tell which section was the experimental, which sucks, because I rocked that section whereas it's real time equivalent, I did not so hot on. Oddly enough, finished all my LR on time, with time to spare which normally isn't the case, thought the first three games were quite easy, the last one caught me up a bit and then couldn't tell whether I had a minute or two to spare, so bubbled in guesses for the last 3 answers, but ended up having enough time to go over each quickly and rebubbled in what in a short amount of time I believed was the correct answer. Hopefully that works for me.

Though as someone suggested here, I asked my proctor at the beginning if she would give us enough time between sections to reset our watches and she was like no, all the time you have is for me to say my spiel. I mean it was enough time but I was like, it's not that big of a deal. Or you could have said 'you will have enough time during my spiel'. Whatever. Though my watch (because it was a $20 I got at the mall) got stuck on my last LR section! thankfully I noticed it quite early on and was able to set it pretty accurately to the correct time.

Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2008, 04:33:47 PM »
I think I did ok, I'm a bit worried my thinking wasn't as it should be and thus the ones I'm sure were right weren't but I guess that's just post-nerves. I finished the games but I'm still second guessing whether my setups were right.

Funny part though was that the main proctor was this really strict woman, and one of the assistants was this frail old lady. Well the young main proctor told the old lady to go one by one and pick up everyones tests, and since there were a lot of people taking it it started to get heavy. When she got to me I was going to put it no the stack, so she wouldn't have to hold all the books in one hand, when the lady comes up and starts scolding me for helping the old woman, and telling the old woman to carry it herself and not have takers help her. I was so freaked out I just stayed quiet but now I feel like giving that lady a piece of my mind.

Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2008, 04:36:37 PM »
So,

a few thoughts if anyone has any -

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- Other than that, I think the rest was pretty maneageable - write in with what you thought and/or other questions


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Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2008, 04:39:45 PM »
I'm afraid my thinking might have been a little off too. However, I'll see how I did -- I'm not a fan of canceling scores. If I did THAT poorly, I still have three months to improve.

Had a number of proctors sort of rotating around. They all seemed fairly nice -- all fair and no problems at all. Only thing that really irked me was the fact that there was a thunderstorm during the middle of the test (when we started, it was clear skies and a Sesame Street sunny day), but you work through the distractions, I guess.

And not to be a pain, but I don't think we're allowed to discuss the content of the test.

Re: June LSAT Epilogue
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2008, 04:45:12 PM »
I'm afraid my thinking might have been a little off too. However, I'll see how I did -- I'm not a fan of canceling scores. If I did THAT poorly, I still have three months to improve.

Had a number of proctors sort of rotating around. They all seemed fairly nice -- all fair and no problems at all. Only thing that really irked me was the fact that there was a thunderstorm during the middle of the test (when we started, it was clear skies and a Sesame Street sunny day), but you work through the distractions, I guess.

And not to be a pain, but I don't think we're allowed to discuss the content of the test.

Actually, the LSAT says we cannot discuss the exact specific questions, so I think I made what I said pretty vague intentionally however, I understand if nobody wants to comment...too bad