# Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects

#### JeNeSaisLaw

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##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2008, 11:50:24 PM »
Let me clarify, by 3.1-3.2-3.3 curve I mean that's what the median is (3.1 or 3.2 or 3.3, somewhere therein). In either of these 3 cases, 2.85 is going to be near the bottom.

Or is that what seems way off to you?
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#### jgd224

##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2008, 12:41:43 PM »
ok...so lets say that is the case. what am i looking at? I have great corporate experience this summer working for the general counsel of a NASDAQ company. Do you think I could parlay that into something with a NJ firm with less strict hiring criteria (more regional based)?

#### intel

##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2008, 02:46:01 PM »
Let me clarify, by 3.1-3.2-3.3 curve I mean that's what the median is (3.1 or 3.2 or 3.3, somewhere therein). In either of these 3 cases, 2.85 is going to be near the bottom.

Or is that what seems way off to you?

i'm just curious how you arrived at your conclusion that a 2.85 will be in the bottom 10% when the curve is 3.2ish.

#### soundsgood

##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2008, 09:22:55 PM »
He seems correct to me.  Think about it.  In every single class a B+ is average.  A 2.85 means a B/B- average in each and every class.  That is below average to well below average in every single class.  Most of the class isn't consistently beneath the curve.

My school has about a 3.2 curve as well.  After 1L year a 2.89 would put you in the bottom 10%.  Below a 2.82 and you are in the bottom 5%.

#### nealric

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##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2008, 03:14:55 PM »
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i'm just curious how you arrived at your conclusion that a 2.85 will be in the bottom 10% when the curve is 3.2ish.

At most schools with a B/B+ curve, the curve is very tight.

Thus a .4 difference is huge. Based on honors cutoffs I have seen: 3.25 = Median or slightly under. 3.65 = top 10%
Serves to reason that a 2.85 is at the very least bottom 1/4.

Not tryin to knock the OP in anyway shape or form. My thought is you should bid in such a way to maximize the number of interviews rather than maximizing your chances at specific firms (assuming no pre-screen).

Chief justice Earl Warren wasn't a stripper!
Now who's being naive?

#### jacy85

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##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2008, 11:02:31 PM »
He seems correct to me.  Think about it.  In every single class a B+ is average.  A 2.85 means a B/B- average in each and every class.  That is below average to well below average in every single class.  Most of the class isn't consistently beneath the curve.

My school has about a 3.2 curve as well.  After 1L year a 2.89 would put you in the bottom 10%.  Below a 2.82 and you are in the bottom 5%.

Agreed - B/B- average on a B/B+ curve is definitely well below the average, and likely closer to the bottom of the class than the half way point.

#### intel

##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #16 on: June 22, 2008, 07:58:54 PM »
ok so what is a 3.5 on a 3.25 curve? a 3.8?

#### soundsgood

##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2008, 10:41:28 PM »
At my school a 3.5 puts you just into the top 20%, and I think a 3.8 would be top 5% or 10%

#### worldlyjd

##### Re: Middle of the pack at t-20 - Prospects
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2008, 05:45:11 AM »
I am in a similar situation B gpa at a top 20 school.
I want to work for the NYC office a law firm with offices in China.

Does anyone have any useful advice?
Instead just telling people in our situation that we are in the bottom 10%?
From what I hear OCI is useless at top 20 (non-T14) schools for people at or below the mean/median.