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Why Obama will lose in the fall

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Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #930 on: October 04, 2008, 08:58:17 AM »
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Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #931 on: October 04, 2008, 11:30:45 AM »
obama has NOTHING...except to raise taxes on an already taxed and economically troubled america...nothing...

lol.

if he has something more to offer than raising taxes...and talking to our adversaries face to face...aye would like to hear it....because aye am not buying "snake-oil" from this man a third time...


Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #932 on: October 04, 2008, 12:32:49 PM »
Don't worry too much, Blue.

Word from the McCain camp is that the Senator intends to ramp up his rhetoric and challenge Obama during the upcoming debate.  It should be interesting because it is townhall style, a forum type that McCain excels at and Obama tends to bumble through.....

Expect McCain to discuss:
- Obama's propensity to vote present, made glaringly obvious during the financial crisis we saw recently.  While McCain suspended his campaign and headed back to washington to try to bring politicians to the table, Obama's response was a documented "call me if you need me."  Who does America want to lead, the guy who takes a chance, drops his campaigning and heads back to get involved or the guy who tells America that the enormous financial meltdown is 'above his paygrade' or some other such nonsense.
- Obama's ties to radicals, unrepentant terrorists, and Chicago based dirty fundraisers.  Obama has some explaining to do and the media has been largely passive about investigating any of this, often taking the Obama camps word for it.
- Obama's ridiculously socialistic and unrealistic spending plans.  We're in a financial crisis and he STILL refuses to consider reducing his spending plans.
- Obama's lie that taxing corporations and the wealthy won't have any effect of middle America.  One simple question will illustrate this:  If we raise taxes on business and businesses in every industry pay existing taxes by including that tax into the cost of goods and services, won't that mean that EVERYONE will pay more for EVERYTHING?
- Obama's desire to ignore the fact that the top 10% of earners pay 90% of the tax load already.  The middle class already pays a low tax burden.  His promise to raise taxes on the top earners does not include any tax cuts for the poor or middle class.  In fact, he has no plans to reduce the tax on the lower and middle class, instead promising that "anyone earning less than $250,000 won't pay a single penny more than they pay now".
- Obama's dirty campaign practices like having other democrats make sexist statements and his insistence on playing the race card, then claiming the right is racist.
- Obama's admission that he would be happy to entertain meeting with the leaders of Iran and North Korea (as well as heads of terrorist ststes) without preconditions.
- Obama's own VP nominee's own stated belief that Obama is not ready to lead and that this is "no time for on the job training".
- Obama's ties to ACORN and all the scandals involving that group.
- Obama's record of voting present, unless he had been told to vote the party line.
- Obama's racist remarks in his books, aimed at white people.
- Obama's celebrity status in the US Senate where he did nothing, then ran for President.
- Obama's lack of any actual record of real change
- Obama's total lack of leadership experience (running for President isn't executive experience)
- Obama's world tour where he dissed the US on foreign ground to crowds who showed up to hear a free rock concert.
- Obama's hideously negative campaign
- Obama's history of winning election through dirty political maneuvers (He wouldn't have been elected the Illinois Senate had he not insisted that certain embarrassing divorce documents came to light, which he said shouldn't be an issue after he had made sure it was made public).
- Obama's inability to actually reach across the aisle to accomplish anything.
- Obama's refusal to admit that the surge not only worked, but was essential to winning the war when he and his democrat buddies had declared the war lost.
- Obama's refusal to denounce the statements of his democrat allies regarding our military bombing civilians and raiding villages in the dead of night (including his running mate, who by the way wanted to segregate Iraq into individual areas, an idea wholly rejected by the Iraqi's themselves).

and much, much more.

Don't worry - now is when the McCain camp steps forward and shows the country what leadership and integrity look like.

Change and hope are not strategies, they are 'just words'.

Saxby Clemens II

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Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #933 on: October 04, 2008, 01:50:20 PM »
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McCain returned to Washington so people would think he's a lot more important than he is.  He did jack *&^%, and the polls reflect that no one bought into his charade.  If you were actually fooled by that, you're dumber than any of us, Democrat or Republican, thought you were. 

The rest of that list is nothing more than recycled garbage from a Fox News-set completely panicked that their reign, which was built on years of misinformation and manipulation, is coming to an end.  Not worth comment.   



 

Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #934 on: October 04, 2008, 02:14:45 PM »
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McCain returned to Washington so people would think he's a lot more important than he is.  He did jack *&^%, and the polls reflect that no one bought into his charade.  If you were actually fooled by that, you're dumber than any of us, Democrat or Republican, thought you were. 

The rest of that list is nothing more than recycled garbage from a Fox News-set completely panicked that their reign, which was built on years of misinformation and manipulation, is coming to an end.  Not worth comment.   

On CNN's reaction tracker, all three lines dropped sharply when he mentioned suspending his campaign.

truth.

Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #935 on: October 04, 2008, 05:02:01 PM »
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McCain returned to Washington so people would think he's a lot more important than he is.  He did jack poo, and the polls reflect that no one bought into his charade.  If you were actually fooled by that, you're dumber than any of us, Democrat or Republican, thought you were. 

The rest of that list is nothing more than recycled garbage from a Fox News-set completely panicked that their reign, which was built on years of misinformation and manipulation, is coming to an end.  Not worth comment.   



 

It's funny, but the liberals on this board seem okay with the idea that a sitting US Senator refused to come to Washington and instead told everyone to call him if they need him.  Perhaps what he meant to say to his constituents was "Screw you, I'm trying to win an election."

Here's the thing that folks like you fail to recognize - perhaps it's ideological pride, perhaps it is partisan hatred that has caused this to happen:

When the *&^% hits the fan and something needs to be done, John McCain responded and proved once again that he is committed to his country first.  He had a job to do - he is an active US Senator and this is a crisis.  Maybe folks like you don't care much for duty, but I assure you that folks like me do.

I hate the bailout.  I think McCain should have opposed it.  It very well may have guaranteed an election.  It is a pork laden bailout of the greedy who were required by a law introduced then strengthened by the democrats to give awful loans that got us into this mess to begin with.  Instead of responding to our financial crisis, Barrack Obama chose to blame it on the republicans (which is ridiculous, though a certain amount of blame should be directed to those Repubs who ignored the mounting crisis over the past 4 years or so) while John McCain once again rallied to avoid the blame game and get a fix in place.

Saxby, I simply cannot believe that you could honestly believe the sort of nonsense you spew.  You can try to minimize the questions that need to be asked, but in reality you should be outraged that the media completely failed you because they, much like you, want Obama in office no matter what he's done (or not done) and no matter what he says (or lies about).

Why is it that folks on your side (maybe you too?) simply couldn't wait to make false accusations and launch a massive investigation into Sarah Palin, yet even the mere mention of any possible impropriety by Barrack Obama get's characterized as 'recycled garbage from a fox news - set'. 

It is also clearly obvious from your statements that you are still sore about losing to Bush.  Twice.  Hey, I voted for Gore, then Kerry too.  The difference is that I don't live in the past and have learned to accept the fact that Bush won, fair and square (well, maybe the second time anyway).

So tell me, Sax - where is the conclusive investigation into the questions raised about Obama?

It doesn't exist.  Simply put, the media let you and me down.  They simply refused to investigate, that is until right wingers pushed hard enough so that they had to (remember Reverend Wright?  That story was broken by conservative, right wing radio.).

I guess you must be one of those Howard Dean lovers who believe in a win at any cost.  Who cares about the careful selection of a President?  One of the reasons I left the Democratic party was exactly this sort of 'anyone is better than a republican' mindset.  We are supposed to be electing the best man for the job, and instead folks like you don't care if he's actually the best for the job.  As long as he's not a republican, he's good to go.

That a very intelligent way to make a decision.  Bush evil.  Got it.


Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #936 on: October 04, 2008, 05:05:34 PM »

Here's the thing that folks like you fail to recognize - perhaps it's ideological pride, perhaps it is partisan hatred that has caused this to happen:


... or perhaps it was Harry Reid telling McCain and Obama to stay away.

Truth.

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Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #937 on: October 04, 2008, 05:07:09 PM »
um, obama and mccain were both there to vote on the bailout bill. mccain's suspension of the campaign seems to have been a misstep, whether or not it was the "right" thing to do.

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Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #938 on: October 04, 2008, 05:15:33 PM »

Saxby, I simply cannot believe that you could honestly believe the sort of nonsense you spew....




pot=kettle


you mean just like the media is refusing to investigate the crazy overthrow-the-government religious cult that palin belongs to?

Re: Why Obama will lose in the fall
« Reply #939 on: October 04, 2008, 05:23:57 PM »
you mean just like the media is refusing to investigate the crazy overthrow-the-government religious cult that palin belongs to?

She's a liberal too??

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