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MAC or PC?!?!

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Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2008, 08:32:31 PM »
I can see that my "idiotic," almost computer-illiterate question has created some very serious and frightening comments.

hehe, my bad.

I was just looking for some assistance from the experts.  Thanks for the advice, but the hostility is a bit unnecessary fellas, really.

No, I do not write programs, nor am I an idiot possessed by television ads (actually, I don't even have cable.)  I think the Mac will better for an illiterate comme moi, considering the Dell Inspiron that I have now sucks my asz. 

Maybe you're right jeffislouie, and I have been a bit abusive to it, but nonetheless, the demos I got from the guy at BestBuy really changed my mind about the whole Mac/PC thing.  Too bad he doesn't work for commission.

I have to get a new notebook and the $1100-$1400 I will spend on a Macbook will hopefully pay off.  Hey, if not, I guess I'll be back posting about the bullsh*t Mac and the glory of PC's.

Then you can all tell me once again how big of an idiot I am, etc.  Hostility will be a little better swallowed at that time.  Maybe my screen name should be "remedial," too.  (I love puns...)   ;) 

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Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2008, 09:45:00 PM »
Do not mistake my post as hostility towards one operating system or another.  I think people should go with what they are comfortable with.  My problem is with PC vs Mac Fanboys.  They both have their merits and honestly their limitations. 

Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2008, 02:10:22 PM »
I can see that my "idiotic," almost computer-illiterate question has created some very serious and frightening comments.

hehe, my bad.

I was just looking for some assistance from the experts.  Thanks for the advice, but the hostility is a bit unnecessary fellas, really.

No, I do not write programs, nor am I an idiot possessed by television ads (actually, I don't even have cable.)  I think the Mac will better for an illiterate comme moi, considering the Dell Inspiron that I have now sucks my asz. 

Maybe you're right jeffislouie, and I have been a bit abusive to it, but nonetheless, the demos I got from the guy at BestBuy really changed my mind about the whole Mac/PC thing.  Too bad he doesn't work for commission.

I have to get a new notebook and the $1100-$1400 I will spend on a Macbook will hopefully pay off.  Hey, if not, I guess I'll be back posting about the bullsh*t Mac and the glory of PC's.

Then you can all tell me once again how big of an idiot I am, etc.  Hostility will be a little better swallowed at that time.  Maybe my screen name should be "remedial," too.  (I love puns...)   ;) 

for the record, I never called you an idiot....
And I'm not suggesting that you've been abusive either.  Chances are, you've just done things you thought were right, but as it turns out are near fatal to your system (deleting software instead of using 'add/remove', never running defrag, etc.)
What I am saying is that you shouldn't listen to the putz at best buy (they are all putzes - one tried to sell me ram that wouldn't fit in my computer.  I have tons of horror stories of demos that worked great until I got home).  You should call the school you attend/plan on attending and ask them if they have a recommendation.  Most schools do.  As a matter of fact, many schools have relationships with vendors that can save you some money as well.  And take it one step further - ask them if a macbook can be fully integrated into their systems.  At my school, macs can use the internet, but not the online library resources.  Hence, they aren't very integrated.  Also ask if they have help desk support for macs or just PC's.  Regardless of what the mac commercials say, mac's are still the minority.
The ONLY reason mac's don't have viruses is because hackers who write viruses want bang for the buck.  Since something like only 8% of personal computers out there are mac, writing a mac virus would be fruitless.  Remember, they get a thrill by infecting millions of computers.  There's no applause for mac viruses because they represent such a small chunk of he market.
Furthermore, I used to sell tech to government agencies and healthcare providers.  The only people that bought them worked in graphic editing and marketing.
Please don't listen to the negativity (I was only messing around and didn't mean to insult or offend).  If your school can support your mac, go for it - especially if you don't know anything about computers or know anyone who can help you out.  If they don't support mac's, budget some extra money for support.  Geek squad is happy to rape you out of a few hundred dollars, as are many mac specialists.
If you like the mac and have made up your mind, it is a little silly to ask the question then get upset when people give you advice, don't you think? 
When my brother sold his GTO to get a 3 series, he called me to ask my opinion.  I told him to try to hold on to the goat.  He didn't like it and acted upset.  Guess what?  He got the 3 series anyway.  He had already made up his mind.  The reasons he gave me to justify the switch ended up being bull (he said his wife hated the gto, she didn't.  He said the kids hated the GTO, they didn't.).
If you've made up your mind, good! Enjoy your mac.
I have no problems with them, per se, but do find the reason most people get them to be a little on the silly side sometimes (just admit that you think it's pretty and we can put this issue to rest).
The truth is that a properly set up PC will be virtually issue free.  Any issue's you create or are displeased with can usually be taken care of by a competent, university provided help desk.  Mac's aren't the easiest thing to support.  They do crash.  They do lockup.  They do run slow sometimes.  The worst part is that every four or five years, they become completely worthless, glitchy, and you end up ponying up another unreasonably high price for the next one.
My friend has been a mac guy since the early 90's.  He's easily spent $10 grand on macbooks and macs.  His last one lasted 4 years, then stopped working.  He had to buy new OS's 3 times in 4 years, and was always 'reloading' the os.  It finally croaked on him and had no resale value.  I've had my PC for 6 years and save for upgrading ram and installing a better graphics card, it still works well.  I've had my laptop for going on 3 years.  I've never crashed once.  I've never reloaded anything.  It still works perfectly.
Dell units are generally crappy, low cost systems.  Dell laptops are built by acer in an acer factory who slaps the dell name on them and ships them back to the good old USA.
For $1200, right now, you can get an HP 6910P, a Lenovo T61, an Asus F8SnB1, a fujitsu lifebook s7211, a Sony Vaio CR408E, and a toshiba Tecra M9, all of which are more powerful, more rugged, and have a much larger support base.  Meanwhile, a Macbook pro is looking at running you around $14-$1600.
Many of the issues people have with notebooks stems from the fact that they tend to buy consumer grade crap instead of business class notebooks, which have better construction, reliability, and ruggedness.  Instead of plastic chassis, they use titanium or metals.
Before you rush out to join generation Mac, do yourself a huge favor and consult the school.  If they can't support it, you aren't much better off because when it breaks, hangs, stalls, or crashes, you will end up with the option of paying for repairs.
And, by the way, in order to run many applications, you will have to pop for Windows Vista anyway, making your system into a defacto PC in a sense.  You will need to buy A/V too.  Viruses don't care what you are running Windows on - they attack the software, not the hardware.  MEANING, some of the applications your school may be using will only be accessible if you have a windows OS.
So, I stick with my original reco - talk to your school and see what they say.
Good luck!
:-)

Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2008, 04:57:12 PM »
Hey Jeff, I see the death count of the Iraq war, the current state of the economy, gas prices, and high-profile scandals haven't turned you against your party like they have for millions of Americans.  I admire your tenacity.

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Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2008, 09:17:39 PM »
Jeff, I appreciate the clarification, and I will definitely talk to my school.  Since you seem pretty knowledgeable about keeping your system up-and-running, can you answer me this:

Regardless of my Dell's crappiness, what can I do to "salvage" it to run well, and support tons of other stuff that will be added during the next three years?

Is it worth it? (I mean both monetarily and emotionally, because I do not want to be slamming it against the wall mid-term, etc.) I am in the business of spending as little as possible, so I'm open to any suggestions you have.

Yeah, the Macbook is pretty, but I also like the whole 'open hundreds of files instantaneously' thing, too.  My current laptop can barely open two files back-to-back, much less allow me access to hundreds of others.  As far as internet-speed, it seems my DSL could run a little faster, and I assume that is a computer problem and not the DSL line itself.

Oh, and my spacebar is out-of-commission.  I have an external one plugged in for in-home use, but that doesn't bode well for mobility purposes.  Geek Squad guy says I have to send it to Dell, since that is where I purchased it. I cannot even fathom sending it off for weeks (and potentially more weeks) and having to pay for the shipping, repairs, etc. without wanting to go out and get another computer for intermediate use.  I saw your suggestions for PC's, so I will take note of recommendations, but otherwise:

Suggestions?!?!?!?!

I feel like I have been scorned by a lover, the way this machine keeps me all knotted up and angry.  And now for that beloved beer... yes, it is driving me to drink!  :D

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Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2008, 09:23:17 PM »
Hey Jeff, I see the death count of the Iraq war, the current state of the economy, gas prices, and high-profile scandals haven't turned you against your party like they have for millions of Americans.  I admire your tenacity.

Troll Much?

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Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2008, 09:28:38 PM »
I can see that my "idiotic," almost computer-illiterate question has created some very serious and frightening comments.

...
Then you can all tell me once again how big of an idiot I am, etc.  Hostility will be a little better swallowed at that time.  Maybe my screen name should be "remedial," too.  (I love puns...)   ;) 

for the record, I never called you an idiot....
...
Good luck!
:-)


I agree with a large majority of this post.  I apologize for my earlier venom regarding the Mac thing.  I get really upset when I see people making decisions based on irrelevent data (color of the computer, etc.)  I don't mean to say that you would do this, but I see a lot of Mac users base their decision on equally silly options for their tools.

Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2008, 09:54:33 PM »
Hey Jeff, I see the death count of the Iraq war, the current state of the economy, gas prices, and high-profile scandals haven't turned you against your party like they have for millions of Americans.  I admire your tenacity.

I smell a troll.
The 'death count' of the Iraq war was very small.  Now, we are trying something new.  Something the Democrats have been against since their parties inception.  The United States of America is attempting to restore stability in a hostile region before we pull out and hopefully leave behind a strong, democratic government.  I guess you might not agree with that idea, but that's okay. 
The state of the economy?  Puh-leeze.  Ever wonder how the sub-prime mortgage crisis started?  Let me educate you.  The democrats in congress applied pressure to loan companies to extend loans to people who previously would not have qualified.  They did.  And as a result, they overextended and are in the tanker.  with foreclosures at an all time high as a result of this nonsensical populism, what did you expect?  No one has money.  Not even lenders.  Nice.  20 years ago, the poorest american's didn't have a car, air conditioning or cable.  Now they do.  Did you know that you could have a million dollars in the bank, drive a rolls royce, and own a 5 million dollar home and still count as poor nowadays?  They count income now.  So all those trust funders and uber-wealthy are technically 'poor'.  And by the way, were you aware that the United States has a record number of millionaires?  That's right!  More millionaires now than ever before. 
Gas prices?  That's not Bush's fault.  The speculators have driven up the price, along with our 'friends' in the middle east.  It sure doesn't help that we're at war either, but mainly it's the speculators.  Gas companies, contrary to the lies you might believe, only clear around 9 cents a gallon profit.  That only barely bests restaurants.  Evil corporations, always trying to turn a silly little profit thus creating new jobs.  Bastards.
High profile scandals?  Murtha accusing marines of murder, who were later cleared of all charges, and refusing to apologize?  Endless witch hunts from a democrat run congress with the lowest approval ratings in the history of Congress?  William "Cold Cash" Jefferson?  Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution.  Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.  Eliot Spitzer- Democrat - New York governor - resigned from office after being tied to a prostitution ring.  Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.  John Kerry accusing our troops of terrifying children asleep in their beds and kidnap?  Do you REALLY want to go there?  I'd concede a draw, but frankly I'm not in the mood.
And "Millions of American's" switching to the Democrat party?  Really?  Are you that naive?  Rush Limbaugh sent out a call for Republicans to get out, switch affiliation and vote for Hillary.  That's exactly what the numbers suggest.  I don't approve, but it's a fact.  While your Democrat overlords have pulled the wool over your eyes, mine were opened.  I was a registered Democrat until about 2 years ago, when I started learning more about the party and observing their incessant chants, all about how bad Bush is without a single reasonable suggestion as to how to do it better.  Are you aware that the Democrat party took the power out of the hands of the people?  Do you know what a super delegate is?  They are party faithfuls who have the power to choose the democrat nominee for president.  Come the convention, it's not going to matter which Democrat you voted for.  It's going to be up to them.  100%.  See the left decided long ago that allowing the people to choose a nominee consistently led to unelectable candidates and decided that THEY, mostly unelected party regulars, should have a say that count exactly as much as the states. 
Unlike you, I don't use a post about PC's vs. MAC to spew my ideology.  Vote for whomever you want.  If you buy this bull about ''change' you are dumber than I'd guess.  Last time I checked, Bush can't run again.  That means ANY candidate is a change.
Nice slogan.
You vote for your guy for your reasons.  I'll vote for mine for mine.
While I'm sure you don't respect me (after all, I'm not going to vote for a democrat who has promised to raise taxes and steal profits from legal, viable companies to redistribute wealth and calls it 'healthcare' when they mean 'health insurance'), I still believe you have a right to vote and think how you like and, this is going to shock and mystify you, I would defend your right to vote for said Democrat with my life.  Would you do the same for a fellow american, or are you too wrapped up in liberal hate to admit that no matter how we may disagree, we are both (in the end) on the same side?
Yeah.
I'm done.
Enjoy the campaign.





Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2008, 09:59:41 PM »
Jeff, I appreciate the clarification, and I will definitely talk to my school.  Since you seem pretty knowledgeable about keeping your system up-and-running, can you answer me this:

Regardless of my Dell's crappiness, what can I do to "salvage" it to run well, and support tons of other stuff that will be added during the next three years?

Is it worth it? (I mean both monetarily and emotionally, because I do not want to be slamming it against the wall mid-term, etc.) I am in the business of spending as little as possible, so I'm open to any suggestions you have.

Yeah, the Macbook is pretty, but I also like the whole 'open hundreds of files instantaneously' thing, too.  My current laptop can barely open two files back-to-back, much less allow me access to hundreds of others.  As far as internet-speed, it seems my DSL could run a little faster, and I assume that is a computer problem and not the DSL line itself.

Oh, and my spacebar is out-of-commission.  I have an external one plugged in for in-home use, but that doesn't bode well for mobility purposes.  Geek Squad guy says I have to send it to Dell, since that is where I purchased it. I cannot even fathom sending it off for weeks (and potentially more weeks) and having to pay for the shipping, repairs, etc. without wanting to go out and get another computer for intermediate use.  I saw your suggestions for PC's, so I will take note of recommendations, but otherwise:

Suggestions?!?!?!?!

I feel like I have been scorned by a lover, the way this machine keeps me all knotted up and angry.  And now for that beloved beer... yes, it is driving me to drink!  :D

I'd need to know some system specs to answer this.
I can tell you that a dead spacebar is a pain in the butt to fix and will likely require a return to dell for a keyboard replacement.  They can be pretty expensive.  The usual stuff to better an older system is mostly about ram, a good anti-virus, and a solid defrag/registry check done by a pro.  You might consider calling a local system builder to see if he'll give you an estimate at no charge.  Tell him Geek Squad is trying to rape you.  Real techs get a larf out of that.
If you are using an older machine with problems (and a dead space bar), you might just be better off with a new system.
If you want, send me some specs, model numbers, how much ram, how fast, what chipset, OS, etc. and I could try to make some reco's....
If you do go mac, make sure you spend some time with the mac nerds (visit a mac store and talk to their experts - they know the mac well and can guide you).
Good luck!

Jeff

Re: MAC or PC?!?!
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2008, 11:27:28 PM »
keyboards are reasonably easy to replace on dell laptops.  if you find a computer-savvy friend who you trust, they should be able to figure it out.  my dell laptop's "I" key died and i bought a new keyboard online for $40 and switched it myself, and there are a lot of things i wouldn't/couldn't do to my computer on my own.