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For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?

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For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« on: April 18, 2008, 10:04:22 PM »
Just as the subject says, would UIUC or Quinnipiac (local T3) be better for a job in CT?  Would I be better off going to one school or another to try to transfer to UConn?  Should I go to one particular school and stick with it?

Money is not an issue, I've got good/comparable scholarships for both.  UConn was not on the table for this year's applications (lsat/gpa issue).

Edit: Quinnipiac is a little cheaper - maybe $15k less in total cost (including COL).

Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2008, 10:36:05 PM »
That's a tough question based on the info you provided. What are your career goals, family situation, etc.

If you're a traditional student (ie 21-24) who is unmarried with no significant family obligations and want a chance to make $$, I would say that UIUC. CT is not going to fall in the ocean anytime soon :)  You'll be  better off in the long run going to the best school available (and UIUC is a FAR better school than Quinnipiac).  I mean your worst case scenario is going back to CT after a few years practicing in the midwest. 

Beyond location, UIUC will open doors that Quinnipiac will not.  UIUC isn't HYS, but it is a very solid T1 school, where if you perform well academically, you will be on a whole other plane of existence from Quinnipiac grads.  Your ties to CT and obvious desire to live there will certainly help you despite the fact that you left the state to go to school...

Now if you're married, have kids, want to do solo practice in Willimantic or have a sick parent, all bets are off. 

Did you consider Suffolk or Northeastern?

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Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2008, 10:42:26 PM »
That's a tough question based on the info you provided. What are your career goals, family situation, etc.

If you're a traditional student (ie 21-24) who is unmarried with no significant family obligations and want a chance to make $$, I would say that UIUC. CT is not going to fall in the ocean anytime soon :)  You'll be  better off in the long run going to the best school available (and UIUC is a FAR better school than Quinnipiac).  I mean your worst case scenario is going back to CT after a few years practicing in the midwest. 

Beyond location, UIUC will open doors that Quinnipiac will not.  UIUC isn't HYS, but it is a very solid T1 school, where if you perform well academically, you will be on a whole other plane of existence from Quinnipiac grads.  Your ties to CT and obvious desire to live there will certainly help you despite the fact that you left the state to go to school...

Now if you're married, have kids, want to do solo practice in Willimantic or have a sick parent, all bets are off. 

Did you consider Suffolk or Northeastern?

My personal situation:  single, 25, and a Very wide splitter (low gpa for issues i consider resolved, high lsat).  Soffolk and Northeastern were, oddly, not possible due to my low gpa.  I was also accepted to a number of T2 schools that are closer to CT, but without scholarships, so these were not possibilities and I withdrew.  UIUC seemed to be very impressed with my history of "overcoming adversity" so to speak, and gave me a nice scholarship. 

Thus, I'm stuck with my current predicament...

Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2008, 10:55:41 PM »
The stat that I would look at VERY closely is the following from USNEWS (I realize this isn't 100% accurate, but it's the best data available):

UIUC:
Bar admission required or anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks)  86 % 

J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent)  10% 

Professional/other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse)  4 % 


Quinnipiac:

Bar admission required or anticipated (e.g., attorney and corporate counsel positions, law clerks, judicial clerks)  62 %  
J.D. preferred, law degree enhances position (e.g., corporate contracts administrator, alternative dispute resolution specialist, government regulatory analyst, FBI special agent)  28 % 
Professional/other (jobs that require professional skills or training but for which a J.D. is neither preferred nor particularly applicable; e.g., accountant, teacher, business manager, nurse)  6 % 

From this, Quinnipiac reports ONLY 62% of it's graduates are actually lawyers!!! 

Guess I'm trying to give a very strong recommendation for UIUC :)




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Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 12:37:26 AM »
Try and do your summers in CT so you can network.

Not to be a pain, but I think this comment strikes at the heart of my problem.  Isn't doing my summers in CT easier said than done?  Isn't that the reason that Quinnipiac has an edge over UIUC?  I'm just afraid that I'll be very disconnected from CT, in a practical sense, and that getting a CT summer job is going to be pretty tough from IL...

That said, yes I do have ties to CT.  I grew up there and went to UConn for undergrad, though I haven't lived back east for a few years now.  So, I'm sure people will believe that I'm serious about CT, but UIUC definitely won't be doing any of the work for me in terms of offering connections to CT.  Not to sound like a typical person from CT, but I really don't want to get stuck in the midwest for the rest of my life, not even in Chicago for big bucks (i.e., I like boats and the ocean!!!)

Thanks for the input so far, though.  I do understand that there's a pretty big difference between UIUC and QU in terms of quality of education...

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Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2008, 01:35:27 AM »
The problem with Quinnipiac is that you may graduate unable to secure substantive legal employment at all, even in Conn. Although with UIUC you are entirely correct that it will not position you particularly well to return to Conn. However, it will at least increase your odds of acquiring legal employment somewhere. I would consider whether you would be happier underemployed in Conn or substantively employed but in the Midwest. But keep in mind that UIUC will not guarantee you employment. Meaning that the worst-worst case scenario would be underemployment in the Midwest. Eek. 

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Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2008, 02:07:17 PM »
Whoops, i wasn't trying to say that all of law school would cost $15k, but that QU would be about 15k cheaper than UIUC.  My original post was obviously worded poorly.

And yeah, I'm leaning towards UIUC for all the reasons most ppl have given.  Although it's probably fair to say that I'm maybe of avg intelligence at UIUC, but more capable than most QU students.  I don't think that, if I give it my all, I'm very likely to be in the bottom of my class at QU.  But again, i take all of your points.

And good luck at GW Cosmo, I feel you on the whole summer in Boston thing.  I'm almost certainly going to have to leave my long-time gf to go to LS - she's in the military and simply cannot move with me.  The choices we make to become esquires...

Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2008, 02:15:40 PM »
what do you need to do to keep the money at Q?  what's there curve?

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Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2008, 02:19:09 PM »
what do you need to do to keep the money at Q?  what's there curve?

Top 1/3 for 100% retention after 1L.  Top 1/2 for 80%.  Top 4/5 for 20%.  UIUC $$ is gauranteed.

Q curve is a strict B- for 1Ls, but I don't think that directly relates to $$.

Re: For CT: UIUC or Quinnipiac?
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2008, 02:23:44 PM »
what do you need to do to keep the money at Q?  what's there curve?

Top 1/3 for 100% retention after 1L.  Top 1/2 for 80%.  Top 4/5 for 20%.  UIUC $$ is gauranteed.

Q curve is a strict B- for 1Ls, but I don't think that directly relates to $$.

I'd bet that it does...I'm sure that lots of people lose their $$ at Q because of failure to make it to the top 1/3 of the class.

I'd go to UIUC though.