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Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!

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Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« on: June 13, 2004, 02:17:06 AM »
Hello everyone,

Newbie here...

I have never been a great test taker, add to that I have a undiagnosed
learning disability.  I have done fairly well in College, I got A's on the
classes I liked, (including Business Law) but not so well in other classes
I didn't care about.  Well that's besides the point, I am just trying to show
that I am not stupid.


However, this LSAT is killing me.  I'm scheduled to take it on Monday
June 14th.  (I am not seeking extra time, that won't help much)


The problem is I started studying for the LSAT about a week ago.
Somebody gave me some pretty good advice and said take the test
and take as long as you need and try to get all the answers correct.
Well I spent about an hour and a half on each section, and the
best I could do under these liberal conditions was the 50th percentile.
BTW, I used Kaplan's Book as a guide to answering questions.


I took more and more tests, eventually getting my time down to
35 minutes per section.  It's now Sunday morning, the day
before the dreaded real test, and the best I can do so far is
the 28th percentile. 


All I need is the 10th percentile to get into the law school I want.
I do not think under actual test conditions, I will even be able to
do that.


My question is....How well, How accurately does the LSAT
represent how well I will do in law school?  I think it's completely
bogus.  The logic games are a joke, and I've had several
lawyers tell me that fast reading comprehension is the last
thing you want to do as a lawyer.  These lawyers however
scored very high on the LSATS and went to very good schools.


These lawyers state that time should not be a factor when researching
a case.  Deliberate, accurate results is what they are looking
from paralegals and law partners.


Since my score is so bad, should I just give up on this dream I've
had since I was 16?  (btw, I am 40 now)


I just don't see any correlation of the LSAT to how good of an attorney
I'll be.  However, if I am only scoring in the 28th percentile on the LSAT's
does that mean I will most likely never pass the bar exam?


I would appreciate any feedback.  As of now, it doesn't look
as if I am going to take the grueling LSAT If there is doubt
I can even score in the 10th percentile. 


Again, I'd appreciate any advice...and good luck to
all Monday test takers!

Mike

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2004, 03:36:56 AM »
Take in Oct after spending more than a week preparing for it  ::)  Also, do you actually plan on doing anything with a degree from a school that only needs you to score in the 10th percentile?  Is it even ABA approved?  Law School is a lot of time and, usually, money. 

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2004, 03:46:21 AM »
Your desired score seems to be fairly realistic, but I would urge you to stay away from assumptions like, "I only need a 10th percentile score to get into the school I want."  No given LSAT score guarantees your admission into a given school.  There are many more factors than the LSAT score at play.

You would probably do yourself a huge favor and increase your chances at a good score if you took the time to study and took the October administration of the test.

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2004, 08:16:48 AM »
Mike,

     You need to take the test in October.  You didn't give yourself enough time to look at the structure of the LSAT.  You need to postpone bro.

Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2004, 08:35:08 AM »
I agree with these people... take it in Oct. 


The LSAT is a decent predicter of how someone will do in Law School.  The skills needed to do well on the LSAT are needed to do well in law school.

YOu're not stupid, you just don't have a natural talent for these things.  But that's ok, if you practice more you'll get a higher score.  And use the LSAC preptests, Kaplan's are kinda sketchy.

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2004, 11:50:51 AM »
Definitely Definitely postpone until October. YOu're not stupid man. Sometimes people aren't naturally in tune with the lsat and it takes a while for them to get in the right frame of mind. Also, are there other things in your life that could be distracting you? If so, then you can deal with those issues and be more ready to begin prepping for October. Best of luck

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2004, 03:26:23 PM »
Take in Oct after spending more than a week preparing for it  ::)  Also, do you actually plan on doing anything with a degree from a school that only needs you to score in the 10th percentile?  Is it even ABA approved?  Law School is a lot of time and, usually, money. 

The school is a private college, it is ABA approved, but it is a 4 year program at night.
Most of the local lawyers respect the school, but don't suggest that I apply for a job with
a top notch law firm.  That's not what I want to do.  I want to specialize in criminal law, and I don't mind paying my dues in the public defenders offices making 27k a year. 

The school also basically will take anyone.  They don't even require a college degree.  But they do require a 10th percentile on the LSAT.  Go figure.  Tuition is 10k a year, so that is what weeds out non-nserious law students.   In other words, if you give them 10,000, you'll get a seat.  If the classes are full, they will look at the LSAT.  My LSAT score is embarrasing. I can make it throughg the clases just fine, but only 60% of graduates pass the bar in their first attempt.  I am terribly worried that since I did so poorly on the LSAT that I may NEVER pass the Bar.  I mean come on, I took as much time as I needed to come with the answers, and still only got 1/2 the questions right.

Arghhh.

Life is supposed to begin at 40, not end.

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2004, 03:47:22 PM »
Postpone!!

One weeks is not enough time to prepare for the LSAT.  You will do better if you start to learn the logic behind the questions.  I'm not sure how much of a measure the LSAT is to law school performance, but there is a definite correlations (or else they wouldn't require the test in the first place). 

Schools are getting more and more applicants every year and the applicant pool be more and more qualified.  Do not take for granted that you will get into any school!  Take a few months and study for the LSAT.  Postpone! Postpone!

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2004, 07:14:18 PM »
My dad changed careers in his late 40's, had to go back to school and took courses to become a Network Engineer. His experience with the Cisco Certification tests, (back in 2000), reminds me of your situation.

You definitely could benefit from a course or just someone who knows the material. I don't know where your learning disability plays into it, but you can find out with a course (Princeton Review/Kaplan) if it can be overcome. If not, you at least get the score you're currently at and your money back (although that can be a hassle).

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Re: Am I stupid, or is the LSAT Stupid!
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2004, 07:21:52 PM »
I really admire you trying to pursue a dream you had since you were 16 years old.  There are many powerful examples of people with disabilities, who overcome, so don't worry about that part.  However, do not set yourself up by ONLY taking one week to prepare for what typically takes 6 months to do so.

If you focus and prepare sufficiently, you will do well because perseverance does not fail.  Definetly push it off till October.

Warm Regards,   :)
Rebecca


Hello everyone,

Newbie here...

I have never been a great test taker, add to that I have a undiagnosed
learning disability.  I have done fairly well in College, I got A's on the
classes I liked, (including Business Law) but not so well in other classes
I didn't care about.  Well that's besides the point, I am just trying to show
that I am not stupid.


However, this LSAT is killing me.  I'm scheduled to take it on Monday
June 14th.  (I am not seeking extra time, that won't help much)


The problem is I started studying for the LSAT about a week ago.
Somebody gave me some pretty good advice and said take the test
and take as long as you need and try to get all the answers correct.
Well I spent about an hour and a half on each section, and the
best I could do under these liberal conditions was the 50th percentile.
BTW, I used Kaplan's Book as a guide to answering questions.


I took more and more tests, eventually getting my time down to
35 minutes per section.  It's now Sunday morning, the day
before the dreaded real test, and the best I can do so far is
the 28th percentile. 


All I need is the 10th percentile to get into the law school I want.
I do not think under actual test conditions, I will even be able to
do that.


My question is....How well, How accurately does the LSAT
represent how well I will do in law school?  I think it's completely
bogus.  The logic games are a joke, and I've had several
lawyers tell me that fast reading comprehension is the last
thing you want to do as a lawyer.  These lawyers however
scored very high on the LSATS and went to very good schools.


These lawyers state that time should not be a factor when researching
a case.  Deliberate, accurate results is what they are looking
from paralegals and law partners.


Since my score is so bad, should I just give up on this dream I've
had since I was 16?  (btw, I am 40 now)


I just don't see any correlation of the LSAT to how good of an attorney
I'll be.  However, if I am only scoring in the 28th percentile on the LSAT's
does that mean I will most likely never pass the bar exam?


I would appreciate any feedback.  As of now, it doesn't look
as if I am going to take the grueling LSAT If there is doubt
I can even score in the 10th percentile. 


Again, I'd appreciate any advice...and good luck to
all Monday test takers!

Mike