Law School Discussion

Nine Years of Discussion
;

Author Topic: Should Republicans be drafted first?  (Read 11277 times)

MustBMe

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 19
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #140 on: June 30, 2005, 10:48:15 PM »


BTW, Bush was SUNK until 911 happened!  Giulani was an embarrasment as well until 911.

good to know, now who cares?  he won a second term.  2 for 2.

Thankfully, he has no terms left.  He got his second term by taking us to war, Dude.  Got it?

I spent 15 months in Iraq.  I've seen the things terrorists do.  Trust me, we're doing the right thing over there.

ibisgolfer

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 32
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #141 on: June 30, 2005, 10:48:52 PM »
perversely, maybe we in fact agree, you mention wanting a public school education to offer more of what a private school education does.  i take it you would support vouchers then.  great, i do.  you know funding really isnt an issue. catholic schools in NYC spend 1/3 of what the average public school does and get 30000 times the testing results.  and these arent lily white catholic schools they are some of the most heavily minority populated schools in NY.

no, no freakin' vouchers!  fix the freakin problem!  don't put a bandaide on it and say, "hey, we tried"!!!! because you know what's going to happen???? not everyone will take advantage of it.  not everyone will know how.  not everyone will be able to entirely.

yeah, i'm a communist.  my name is mrs. castro.

call me anything, just don't call me a republican!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no, seriously, i think the 'no child left behind' law or laws that have been brewing because of this initiative have been wonderful...however, if a law says it's going to do something, it should do it.

to imply 'no child left behind'...i would think they mean ALL CHILDREN will have a chance.

currently, ALL CHILDREN don't have a chance.

we're just looking at another form of what's going on in asia and in europe.  do we want or need a classist society that begs to treat people differently, depending on the side of the tracks where a person has been raised.  aren't we better than that?

i would hope so.  with the needless war, our fleeting manufacturing base, and a number of countless issues this country faces today, do you really think we can afford to be this selective.

let's face it:  rich people aren't having the babies in this country.

okay, i've given you like 20 minutes...i'm signing off.  you haven't convinced me that bush really cares about PEOPLE other than his cronies.

you haven't convinced me that bush shouldn't send his daughters to iraq....let's not forget the topic here.



wow can you say bait and switch.  non-sequitur.   "If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the facts and the law are against you, yell like hell and attack the prosecutor."  That's what you just pulled.  I never jumped into this thread to discuss war, but saw some guy making an ass out of himself talking like he knew *&^% about NCLB.  I smelled some pooh and kept digging only to find a pile of *&^% for knowledge on NCLB.  So what do you do when I throw your arguments about NCLB back at you, you decide to turn the argument around to me so that I have to CONVINCE you that Bush cares about people.  You and Ms. Pelosi and Dr. Dean please keep this sophisticated level of discourse up and I'll keep getting hard as I watch the GOP steamroll over the left in election after election.

as to your point, bush should not have to send his daughter to Iraq anymore than Clinton should have sent his to Bosnia, or Somalia.  The commander and chief so long as he commands an army that is not forced by law to sign up (draft) is free to send them where he thinks is best.

swordfish

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 155
    • View Profile
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #142 on: June 30, 2005, 10:51:51 PM »
For cryin' out loud mustbme, you made me get serious for a second there.  You caught me off guard with the comment about my dad and my friend.  I forgot that I wrote that earlier, seeing blood I guess.  If I have offended anybody I'm sorry, but for the most part I'm just entertaining myself.  Sorry guys, I guess I shall retire now.

MustBMe

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 19
    • View Profile
    • Email
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #143 on: June 30, 2005, 10:52:47 PM »
Mustbeme, I doubt you ever served, even if you did I doubt you fought.  So shutthefuckup!

Alright man, since you can't play nice and debate like a normal human being, you have been reported.  Have a nice day

Wow you really are a tough guy. I've been reported, wow.

You're a moron and we are all dumber for having to listen to your ignorant rantings.  You make everyone who agrees with your viewpoint look stupid and I would put money that they would have nothing to do with you.

Hey Be10dwn,

I appreicate your efforts to get Swordfish to behave in a more respectful manner, but honestly, don't waste your time.

Part of his lashing out may be due to his anger over his father being an injured vet, or maybe b/c his friend died.  I assuming both facts to be true, but have some reservations about it.  Lord knows that if they are true, both men would be ashamed of his behavior.  That's probably punishment enough.

Look, he's young, probably still in his mid teens.  Let him rant.  We've all done things we're not proud of - this is just his turn.

In any event, I've appreciated your comments throughout this thread.

I only regret mentioning my dad and my friend, guess my emotions got the best of me for a sec.  In all seriousness can you guys not understand sarcasm, look at all of my post.  I refuse to be serious.  You all did catch me for a second earlier today, guess I should apologize for that.  The rest is just shits and giggles for me.

I bear you no ill will Swordfish.  I recognize a rabble rouser when I read one.  Hell, I've served with more than few.  We need a few souls like that around when things are tense, both to lighten the mood and to mark themselves for a serious arse kicking when we got back to base!

Don't sweat.  And hey, think about picking up where your poppa left off.  

Happy 4th!

be10dwn

  • Guest
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #144 on: June 30, 2005, 10:52:55 PM »
The GWB should send his daughters to Iraq is such a stupid argument that I don't even know where to begin.  First of all, the job as President is to decide whether or not to send the armed service into a war that, btw, was approved by Congress.  All cynicism aside, do you think it is decision a President would take lightly, knowing that young men and women are going to be killed?  It is his job to make tough decisions.  I believe, like it or not, the President didn't make the decision to go to war because it was the politically correct thing to do.  He believed it was the right thing to do, and with the CONSENT OF CONGRESS, he made that decision.  If his daughters for some reason enlisted, the same people that are now saying they should enlist will be the ones saying that it is a political stunt.  The children of a sitting presdient can't feasibly enlsit in the armed services.  That must be obvious right?

swordfish

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 155
    • View Profile
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #145 on: June 30, 2005, 10:53:13 PM »
Swordfish out forever and always

Perversely

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 917
    • View Profile
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #146 on: June 30, 2005, 10:54:42 PM »
it's easy to not think about children when their parents are the problem.  it's easy to think it's the parentss responsibility when they're addicted to drugs or are incabable of caring for a soul.  it's real easy to discount all that when you want to prove a point.

my point is this:  just because there's funding to schools, it doesn't mean that it's being used wisely.  we need to do more.  we need to be held accountable for our future.

and if it means looking at each student as an individual in one way or another (aside from just as a test score) WE NEED TO DO IT!

i don't claim to have the end-all answers to our public school system woes & i certainly don't claim to think that bush can work "miracles"...HOWEVER, i do believe the current system and the proposed system DON'T WORK. & to say it does is a cop out....a missed opportunity.

what if in 80 years, the U.S. is considered a third-world nation...what then?  there's no more oil.  there are few people who can communicate in any other language other than English...the economy is global...where are we then?  where are those few richy rich kids?  they're in europe, hopefully.


ps:  i'm going to bed.

Hegel

  • Sr. Citizen
  • ****
  • Posts: 148
    • View Profile
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #147 on: June 30, 2005, 10:56:29 PM »
The GWB should send his daughters to Iraq is such a stupid argument that I don't even know where to begin.  First of all, the job as President is to decide whether or not to send the armed service into a war that, btw, was approved by Congress.  All cynicism aside, do you think it is decision a President would take lightly, knowing that young men and women are going to be killed?  It is his job to make tough decisions.  I believe, like it or not, the President didn't make the decision to go to war because it was the politically correct thing to do.  He believed it was the right thing to do, and with the CONSENT OF CONGRESS, he made that decision.  If his daughters for some reason enlisted, the same people that are now saying they should enlist will be the ones saying that it is a political stunt.  The children of a sitting presdient can't feasibly enlsit in the armed services.  That must be obvious right?

Don't the members of that silly Royal family across the pond enlist in the military?  Didn't Elvis and a few very popular boxers fight in wars?  Are you saying that the Bush girls are more famous the Elvis? ;)


be10dwn

  • Guest
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #148 on: June 30, 2005, 10:56:42 PM »
Thanks MUST for the kind words. 

be10dwn

  • Guest
Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #149 on: June 30, 2005, 10:58:13 PM »
The GWB should send his daughters to Iraq is such a stupid argument that I don't even know where to begin.  First of all, the job as President is to decide whether or not to send the armed service into a war that, btw, was approved by Congress.  All cynicism aside, do you think it is decision a President would take lightly, knowing that young men and women are going to be killed?  It is his job to make tough decisions.  I believe, like it or not, the President didn't make the decision to go to war because it was the politically correct thing to do.  He believed it was the right thing to do, and with the CONSENT OF CONGRESS, he made that decision.  If his daughters for some reason enlisted, the same people that are now saying they should enlist will be the ones saying that it is a political stunt.  The children of a sitting presdient can't feasibly enlsit in the armed services.  That must be obvious right?

Don't the members of that silly Royal family across the pond enlist in the military?  Didn't Elvis and a few very popular boxers fight in wars?  Are you saying that the Bush girls are more famous the Elvis? ;)



Its like pounding mhy head into a brick wall listening to these insane arguments. LOL HTH