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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #100 on: June 30, 2005, 09:51:32 PM »
utterly ridiculous.


what's ridiculous?

::sigh:: where do i begin?  have we not figured out how the world works yet?  there is no fairness dammit.....never has been and never will be.  Why don't we just open our eyes to the reality that power in this world is maintained through A)killing and B)wealth 

it'll never change.

the fairness begins with you.  decide to be fair.

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #101 on: June 30, 2005, 09:54:32 PM »
perversely name 3 things in the next 5 minutes that the No Child Left Behind law does and why they are bad policy prescriptions.  Don't go look up moveon.orgs talking points either. Give me stuff fast.  I doubt you even know much about NCLB, I did my thesis on it and will destroy you if you try to debate me.  But to quote GW, Bring em on.

it says we need to:
1) test
2) not be held accountable for not testing
3) not change how all public schools learn

First of all as for the last 2, they are double negatives and i can hardly see how a positivist piece of legislation can include as policy perscriptions qua policy double negatives.  and yes NCLB mandates testing.  andy why shouldnt it mandate that we test.  the public (you know the first word in the clause public school) in poll after poll supports using tests to gauge performance.  would you then suggest that the public, the very public who funds these schools not be entitled to see what its tax dollars is generating in terms of accomplishments via accountability.  lemme guess you would prefer more holistic arts and crafts style evaluative *&^% to determine performance.  tests are a part of life.  ever heard of the LSAT. It's a small test you might have heard of.

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #102 on: June 30, 2005, 09:58:00 PM »
how much funding did Bush allocate for the implementation of NCLB?

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #103 on: June 30, 2005, 10:05:11 PM »
i'm waiting for your rebuttal.  you gave me 5 minutes.  i'm giving you 3 more before i sign off.

the no child left behind theory, IN THEORY, is wonderful. but, the reality is that although there is funding to help, there's no real progress in changing how children learn across the board.  bottom line.  there needs to be some fundamental changes in how children learn.  there shouldn't be a HUGE disparity between the level of education a child receives when they attend a private school oppose to attending a public one.

our public schools can do more.  they should do more.  & it begins with not only giving money to those schools, it begins by sending a message to the families that they need to care or else....  it begins by allowing a student in any neighbor access to the same quality of an education that one would receive at the best private school.  & it's more than just class size...

the no child left behind should do more than weed students who don't test well out...did you know more minorities aren't graduating from high school because of testing.  geewiz...i wonder why is that!

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #104 on: June 30, 2005, 10:06:16 PM »
perversely name 3 things in the next 5 minutes that the No Child Left Behind law does and why they are bad policy prescriptions.  Don't go look up moveon.orgs talking points either. Give me stuff fast.  I doubt you even know much about NCLB, I did my thesis on it and will destroy you if you try to debate me.  But to quote GW, Bring em on.

it says we need to:
1) test
2) not be held accountable for not testing
3) not change how all public schools learn

First of all as for the last 2, they are double negatives and i can hardly see how a positivist piece of legislation can include as policy perscriptions qua policy double negatives.  and yes NCLB mandates testing.  andy why shouldnt it mandate that we test.  the public (you know the first word in the clause public school) in poll after poll supports using tests to gauge performance.  would you then suggest that the public, the very public who funds these schools not be entitled to see what its tax dollars is generating in terms of accomplishments via accountability.  lemme guess you would prefer more holistic arts and crafts style evaluative sh*t to determine performance.  tests are a part of life.  ever heard of the LSAT. It's a small test you might have heard of.

At the risk of being reported to the MOD's, becaue righties are so sensitive now.  Your a pompous prick, I did my thesis on this and will destroy you, LMAO.  Ever heard of the LSAT, pretentiousasshole!!

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #105 on: June 30, 2005, 10:09:14 PM »
did you know more minorities aren't graduating from high school because of testing.  geewiz...i wonder why is that!


enlighten us.  what's wrong with having standards?

probably because nobody cares about them in this admin.

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #106 on: June 30, 2005, 10:09:35 PM »
Wow this thread took a turn to the ludicrous huh.  I'm pretty sure I never on any of these pages said what my political leanings were.  I'm pretty sure I took an objective view that if someone doesnt like something, they should come up with an alternative instead of simply whining  about it.  I never said I subscribed to any one specific political philosophy, but hey if you want to assume what my positions are, well, we know what assuming does.

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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #108 on: June 30, 2005, 10:11:22 PM »


the fairness begins with you.  decide to be fair.

I appreciate your enthusiasm to change things.  I think it's noble.  Honestly.

but have you ever noticed how dirty and utterly disgusting protesters look?  Playing outside the rules of the game gets you absolutely nowhere.  If you really want to make changes in the world, and fairness is out of the question, you have to do it from within the system.  I realize this is way beyond the scope of your post, but i'm talkative right now.


don't be talkative.  the only way to make change...real change, is from within--from within one's self.


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Re: Should Republicans be drafted first?
« Reply #109 on: June 30, 2005, 10:11:34 PM »
how much funding did Bush allocate for the implementation of NCLB?



That sort of question is shows you to be less than knowledgable on NCLB and how it functions.  NCLB, much to Mr. Kerry's chagrin, was and never is an "unfunded mandate."  Why not. Well first, its not a mandate.  States may decide whether they want to comply- UTAH is considering not tagging on this year.  When states don't comply they lose the portion of federal funds they would otherwise receive.  The figure below in the link I've provided shows how education funding has risen (something that I as a critic of the public education system) am not happy about.  Funding has very little to do with educational outcomes and success. Washington DC for instance has the highest funding per pupil of any district in the nation, some 14,000 a year per pupil, yet they boast some of the worst scores in the nation.  NCLB is designed to be an accountability system that gives kids a chance to get some free tutoring or a switch to another public school if schools fail to improve.  Funding is not the issue.  By reasonable standards AMerican public schools are funded incredibly generously and the per pupil funding is higher than some of the most socialist european nations known for their generousity in funding social programs (e.g. France, Sweden, you name it).


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