Quote from: MustBMe on June 30, 2005, 05:53:54 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:51:12 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:46:04 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:42:07 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:36:59 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:34:37 PMQuote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum. Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve. History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.I don't care about vacuums. I care about human lives.Do you really think that the two are separate entities? What does history teach us about revolution and the ensuing struggle for power? If you create a power vacuum, then many, many human lives are certain to be lost.Not americansThan you have nothing to worry about Swordfish. It isn't like you'll ever wear the Uniform. I do admit, though, it's a lot easier to dump all over those of us who do, but I digress...Your pretty tough yourself. My dad's messed up for the rest of his life because of the war, and my friend got killed in March over there. I'm from WV most of us serve. I think I have a right to be upset over the war you female private part.
Quote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:51:12 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:46:04 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:42:07 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:36:59 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:34:37 PMQuote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum. Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve. History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.I don't care about vacuums. I care about human lives.Do you really think that the two are separate entities? What does history teach us about revolution and the ensuing struggle for power? If you create a power vacuum, then many, many human lives are certain to be lost.Not americansThan you have nothing to worry about Swordfish. It isn't like you'll ever wear the Uniform. I do admit, though, it's a lot easier to dump all over those of us who do, but I digress...
Quote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:46:04 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:42:07 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:36:59 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:34:37 PMQuote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum. Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve. History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.I don't care about vacuums. I care about human lives.Do you really think that the two are separate entities? What does history teach us about revolution and the ensuing struggle for power? If you create a power vacuum, then many, many human lives are certain to be lost.Not americans
Quote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:42:07 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:36:59 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:34:37 PMQuote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum. Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve. History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.I don't care about vacuums. I care about human lives.Do you really think that the two are separate entities? What does history teach us about revolution and the ensuing struggle for power? If you create a power vacuum, then many, many human lives are certain to be lost.
Quote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:36:59 PMQuote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:34:37 PMQuote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum. Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve. History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.I don't care about vacuums. I care about human lives.
Quote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 05:34:37 PMQuote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!Unfortunately, this is not an acceptable solution because it creates a power vacuum. Such a situation could potentially result in an even greater problem than we initially sought to solve. History has taught us many times what sorts of evil may arise in the power vacuum of a nation recently engaged in revolution.
Quote from: be10dwn on June 30, 2005, 05:02:39 PMThe problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.Here's a solution, GET THE #@!* OUT!!!
The problem with the liberals is that you keep trying to fight the same windmill over and over again. At this point it doesn't matter why we went to Iraq, what matters is getting the damn job done. We have to be successful, we have no choice. Does nobody on the liberal side understand this? All I ever hear is quagmire this and quagmire that, but no solutions are ever given to the problem. If you think something is wrong, great, come up with a solution because otherwise you just sound like a whiny female dog.
Yeah Swordfish, If you're not enlisted you don't get to say sh*t about what is done on your behalf. Otherwise, you "don't support the troops".....Gettafuckoutta here with that sh*t.
I feel that the civility of this discussion is rapidly deteriorating (on both sides). Can't we all just get along?
Quote from: MustBMe on June 30, 2005, 05:39:54 PMQuote from: BP on June 30, 2005, 04:59:36 PMQuote from: sugersh on June 30, 2005, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: MustBMe on June 30, 2005, 04:10:58 PMYou see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself. To know that what I do truly matters. To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.That kind of sentiment is very appealing, and I think, although it hasn't been put to the test, that if I believed that our military was something great and noble, and that our country was doing the right things for the right reasons, I would be willing to put my life on the line for that. I might even be willing to put myself into a place where I would kill for that, though I'm not sure.The problem is that I just don't have that kind of faith in our government, and its use of the military. It's done too many terrible things in the past (as have most other governments; I'm not saying it's unique in that respect). I wish I felt like our government was something I could trust and respect that much.Exactly. Good post. MustbMe, that was a great rehash of army recruiting/advertising material. As for looking God in the eye...you feel that sacrificing yourself for America let's you look God in the eye, while others think that sacrificing themselves for their countries and causes make it easier for them to look their God in the eye. In the end it's all rhetoric bull. God, if he/she is out there, is for HUMANKIND, not just for humans that just happened to be born in a certain area code. God is not an American.BP,I know you won't care, but I know several fine young men who died to help further democracy in other parts of the world. They also died to help defend our Country and our Constitution, which guarantee your freedom of speach. I wish you could visit North Korea, the Middle East, and portions of Africa. You do know that they still practice slavery in those parts of the world, right? I know, I know, there's nothing special about America.....You, I was tempted to go on a rant here, and tell you what I really thought about you, but considering that July 4th is just around the corner, I thought about something else instead. How about you visit a VA hospital over the weekend. Or, maybe, you visit a veterans cemetary and place a few small American flags on their graves. Granted I know such actions are beneath you, considering they died for rhetoric bull....Yea, why don't you print out what you just posted, stick it in the back of your pants pocket, and go do SOMETHING to thank a veteran. Maybe, just maybe, you'll discover something about yourself in the process. God Bless America BPI could care less what you think of me or if you choose to tell me or not. HTHIt's interesting how you took my post and interpreted it as an anti-veteran, anti-soldier post. When that isn't the case at all. You've really learned to apply the Republican strategy well though, I'll give you that. Note however, that the (you don't support our troops) b.s isn't going to work forever. Give it up. My post was about you invoking God. Somehow you ignored that.
Quote from: BP on June 30, 2005, 04:59:36 PMQuote from: sugersh on June 30, 2005, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: MustBMe on June 30, 2005, 04:10:58 PMYou see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself. To know that what I do truly matters. To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.That kind of sentiment is very appealing, and I think, although it hasn't been put to the test, that if I believed that our military was something great and noble, and that our country was doing the right things for the right reasons, I would be willing to put my life on the line for that. I might even be willing to put myself into a place where I would kill for that, though I'm not sure.The problem is that I just don't have that kind of faith in our government, and its use of the military. It's done too many terrible things in the past (as have most other governments; I'm not saying it's unique in that respect). I wish I felt like our government was something I could trust and respect that much.Exactly. Good post. MustbMe, that was a great rehash of army recruiting/advertising material. As for looking God in the eye...you feel that sacrificing yourself for America let's you look God in the eye, while others think that sacrificing themselves for their countries and causes make it easier for them to look their God in the eye. In the end it's all rhetoric bull. God, if he/she is out there, is for HUMANKIND, not just for humans that just happened to be born in a certain area code. God is not an American.BP,I know you won't care, but I know several fine young men who died to help further democracy in other parts of the world. They also died to help defend our Country and our Constitution, which guarantee your freedom of speach. I wish you could visit North Korea, the Middle East, and portions of Africa. You do know that they still practice slavery in those parts of the world, right? I know, I know, there's nothing special about America.....You, I was tempted to go on a rant here, and tell you what I really thought about you, but considering that July 4th is just around the corner, I thought about something else instead. How about you visit a VA hospital over the weekend. Or, maybe, you visit a veterans cemetary and place a few small American flags on their graves. Granted I know such actions are beneath you, considering they died for rhetoric bull....Yea, why don't you print out what you just posted, stick it in the back of your pants pocket, and go do SOMETHING to thank a veteran. Maybe, just maybe, you'll discover something about yourself in the process. God Bless America BP
Quote from: sugersh on June 30, 2005, 04:42:17 PMQuote from: MustBMe on June 30, 2005, 04:10:58 PMYou see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself. To know that what I do truly matters. To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.That kind of sentiment is very appealing, and I think, although it hasn't been put to the test, that if I believed that our military was something great and noble, and that our country was doing the right things for the right reasons, I would be willing to put my life on the line for that. I might even be willing to put myself into a place where I would kill for that, though I'm not sure.The problem is that I just don't have that kind of faith in our government, and its use of the military. It's done too many terrible things in the past (as have most other governments; I'm not saying it's unique in that respect). I wish I felt like our government was something I could trust and respect that much.Exactly. Good post. MustbMe, that was a great rehash of army recruiting/advertising material. As for looking God in the eye...you feel that sacrificing yourself for America let's you look God in the eye, while others think that sacrificing themselves for their countries and causes make it easier for them to look their God in the eye. In the end it's all rhetoric bull. God, if he/she is out there, is for HUMANKIND, not just for humans that just happened to be born in a certain area code. God is not an American.
Quote from: MustBMe on June 30, 2005, 04:10:58 PMYou see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself. To know that what I do truly matters. To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.That kind of sentiment is very appealing, and I think, although it hasn't been put to the test, that if I believed that our military was something great and noble, and that our country was doing the right things for the right reasons, I would be willing to put my life on the line for that. I might even be willing to put myself into a place where I would kill for that, though I'm not sure.The problem is that I just don't have that kind of faith in our government, and its use of the military. It's done too many terrible things in the past (as have most other governments; I'm not saying it's unique in that respect). I wish I felt like our government was something I could trust and respect that much.
You see, I know how good it feels to be a part of something greater than myself. To know that what I do truly matters. To know that if I would have to sacrifice myself for my country, I'd be able to look God in the eye, knowing that there is no greater love than to lay down my life in defense of true liberty and freedom.
Quote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:59:05 PMI feel that the civility of this discussion is rapidly deteriorating (on both sides). Can't we all just get along? Fuckgetting along
Quote from: swordfish on June 30, 2005, 06:02:16 PMQuote from: The5thAce on June 30, 2005, 05:59:05 PMI feel that the civility of this discussion is rapidly deteriorating (on both sides). Can't we all just get along? Fuckgetting alongWow.....I honestly have no response to that. I suppose that we are incapable of engaging in civil discourse without one party slinging invectives at another? I think we are all better than this.
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