The White Guilt Thread

[J D]

Thanks, Casino.

I remember reading about the racial theories (such as "whitening") that drove social policy in the late nineteenth century during my Latin America in the National Period survey.  But I couldn't remember if it was limited to Brazil or part of a broader trend, for example in other racially diverse Latin American states (say, Cuba, Peru, Venezuela, Mexico, etc.), and I also couldn't remember the source (it was an excerpt from a larger monograph or journal article that appeared in a reader for our class, along with primary documents), so I didn't bring it up.  But it's definitely true that race has played a very significant role in the social history of Latin America in general, and of Brazil in particular (it's one of the major themes in the late nineteenth-century classic, Aluisio Azevedo's "The Slum (O Cortiço)," which unfortunately I didn't get to finish and don't really remember that well).  It still does, as is obvious from reading "Child of the Dark" by Carolina Maria de Jesus.

[LSorbust]

"Racism" has turned into an excuse for blacks to act however they wish without repercussions.  Reality check: It doesn't matter what happened in the past, if you are black and a white person reacts warily to you, you better than anyone else knows why.  If not, turn on BET.  White people will be allowed to have standards in this society which they have created.  And I do not advocate the traditional view of society.  I am against religion and pro gay rights, for example.  But I am also pro-intelligence.  A society that is geared towards pleasing the average is not a desirable society, and the majority of blacks in this country at this point in time are average at best.  (note: majority = more than half, which in this case is certainly incontestable).  A worthy society should be geared in every way towards exemplifying the "cream of the crop".  And by that I don't mean who was born with the most money already in their bank accounts, etc.

[_BP_]

"Racism" has turned into an excuse for blacks to act however they wish without repercussions.  Reality check: It doesn't matter what happened in the past, if you are black and a white person reacts warily to you, you better than anyone else knows why.  If not, turn on BET.  White people will be allowed to have standards in this society which they have created.  And I do not advocate the traditional view of society.  I am against religion and pro gay rights, for example.  But I am also pro-intelligence.  A society that is geared towards pleasing the average is not a desirable society, and the majority of blacks in this country at this point in time are average at best.  (note: majority = more than half, which in this case is certainly incontestable).  A worthy society should be geared in every way towards exemplifying the "cream of the crop".  And by that I don't mean who was born with the most money already in their bank accounts, etc.

Thanks for your insight!

Dear Sir, it has been great reading this discourse from a dignified member of the Crop (cream of, to be precise). We appreciate your sage words. I will be sure to forward this to all of my average friends.
Yours
B.P

[Lawprofessor]

"Racism" has turned into an excuse for blacks to act however they wish without repercussions.  Reality check: It doesn't matter what happened in the past, if you are black and a white person reacts warily to you, you better than anyone else knows why.  If not, turn on BET.  White people will be allowed to have standards in this society which they have created.  And I do not advocate the traditional view of society.  I am against religion and pro gay rights, for example.  But I am also pro-intelligence.  A society that is geared towards pleasing the average is not a desirable society, and the majority of blacks in this country at this point in time are average at best.  (note: majority = more than half, which in this case is certainly incontestable).  A worthy society should be geared in every way towards exemplifying the "cream of the crop".  And by that I don't mean who was born with the most money already in their bank accounts, etc.

Thanks for your insight!

Dear Sir, it has been great reading this discourse from a dignified member of the Crop (cream of, to be precise). We appreciate your sage words. I will be sure to forward this to all of my average friends.
Yours
B.P

 

[LSorbust]

"Racism" has turned into an excuse for blacks to act however they wish without repercussions.  Reality check: It doesn't matter what happened in the past, if you are black and a white person reacts warily to you, you better than anyone else knows why.  If not, turn on BET.  White people will be allowed to have standards in this society which they have created.  And I do not advocate the traditional view of society.  I am against religion and pro gay rights, for example.  But I am also pro-intelligence.  A society that is geared towards pleasing the average is not a desirable society, and the majority of blacks in this country at this point in time are average at best.  (note: majority = more than half, which in this case is certainly incontestable).  A worthy society should be geared in every way towards exemplifying the "cream of the crop".  And by that I don't mean who was born with the most money already in their bank accounts, etc.

Thanks for your insight!

Dear Sir, it has been great reading this discourse from a dignified member of the Crop (cream of, to be precise). We appreciate your sage words. I will be sure to forward this to all of my average friends.
Yours
B.P

Mockery, yet no intelligent refutation... tsk tsk tsk

[elegantpearl01]

Dude, don't you get it?  He's a Negro.  Negroes are too stupid to refute your very lucid and awe-inspiring arguments.

Mo, perhaps we should give him a little soft-shoe?? We are good at that ...

[mxpocc]

Europeans committed genocide on American Indians--that's as bad as it gets.

At least they found you blacks to be somewhat useful; they had no use for the indian, so they discarded him.

[LSorbust]

Dude, don't you get it?  He's a Negro.  Negroes are too stupid to refute your very lucid and awe-inspiring arguments.

As are you, apparently, for you did the same thing.  What I said is impossible to refute.  In any case, you wouldn't want to, because then you would have nothing to complain about.  The same negative things about black people that black people themselves complain about (and claim that someone made them do...) are the things white people react negatively to.  We're all on the same side as far as understanding what the shortcomings of blacks in this society are.  Only black people are in the position to change it.  

[LSorbust]

Dude, don't you get it?  He's a Negro.  Negroes are too stupid to refute your very lucid and awe-inspiring arguments.

As are you, apparently, for you did the same thing.  What I said is impossible to refute.  In any case, you wouldn't want to, because then you would have nothing to complain about.  The same negative things about black people that black people themselves complain about (and claim that someone made them do...) are the things white people react negatively to.  We're all on the same side as far as understanding what the shortcomings of blacks in this society are.  Only black people are in the position to change it. 

And what things would those things be? That Blacks complain about?  Gee golly whiz, my head hurts.  Your post made me think too hard.

Um, everything blacks complain about on this board and in society in general... surely you're not saying blacks have no problems just because they're black...  If you are, PROBLEM SOLVED!

[LSorbust]

Dude, don't you get it?  He's a Negro.  Negroes are too stupid to refute your very lucid and awe-inspiring arguments.

As are you, apparently, for you did the same thing.  What I said is impossible to refute.  In any case, you wouldn't want to, because then you would have nothing to complain about.  The same negative things about black people that black people themselves complain about (and claim that someone made them do...) are the things white people react negatively to.  We're all on the same side as far as understanding what the shortcomings of blacks in this society are.  Only black people are in the position to change it. 

And what things would those things be? That Blacks complain about?  Gee golly whiz, my head hurts.  Your post made me think too hard.

Um, everything blacks complain about on this board and in society in general... surely you're not saying blacks have no problems just because they're black...  If you are, PROBLEM SOLVED!

I think maybe the OP meant that black popular culture often promotes and perpetuates stereotypes that end up denegrating the community rather than enhancing it. Or so I assume from the BET comment.  I think maybe they were also alluding to personal responsibility, although I think that's something that applies to all races, not just blacks.  At a certain point you have to put down the crack pipe all on your own, or seek the help you need to put it down, whether you're black, white or a lovely shade of magenta. 

Of course, this is all just speculation because they decided to be abrasive and less than coherent and lord knows what they were really getting at.   

I was attempting to be as plainspoken as possible. Most people today refute any comments about race as inherently incorrect if it does not sound akin to the politicaly correct rhetoric one normally hears which bolsters their viewpoint.  This happens no matter how obvious the logic.   

Blacks say "We're poor."  Whites says "Yes, blacks are poor." Blacks says "You're racist."  I am not claiming that you on this board are immune from this lack of logic any more than other blacks are.  It is too deeply ingrained. 

I am saying that no matter what has happened in the past, and no matter what SHOULD be, this is the situation:
Whites are above you in society (you don't doubt this yourselves).  The people above do not have to give up their power. They may abdicate some, but as we see today, we retain our societal status no matter how many Woolworth's counters you sit at.  Whites don't care about your skin color anymore.  We care about your actions.  As long as the society-degenerating behaviour continues, no matter what the root, we will not allow you to enter our ranks.  Correct or not, it is ours to allow, as evidenced by the past 40 years.  Not your fault individually?  Sucks.  Not my fault that the poor blacks who are virtually the sole perpetrators of violence in my community (statistically, not some unfounded nebulous comment to which you would claim "misreporting" by the media) chose not to avail themselves of what I as a poor white (growing up at least...) availed myself of (by struggle, not by right). 

I expect vitriol, sarcasm and the like, but I do not expect a defense on the merits.  There is none.  Stop blaming whites, slap yo' mamma for not learning English correctly (maybe she shouldn't have, since the language is the invention of her former captors....wait a second, so is her clothing, her electricity, most everything else she seeks to have access to...wait, whites are priviledged?  Maybe it's because our ancestors made this society ((not talking about the grunt work)).  This stuff didn't just exist, you know... oh, and don't bother reponding by posting some anemic list of black inventors.  The fact that you can even begin to list them proves my point), and correct yourselves.