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dal79

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Re: Guantanamo Detention Facility
« Reply #50 on: June 14, 2005, 08:02:19 PM »
Comparing terrorist acts to droping the atomic bomb on Japan is just wrong. 

The US dropped the bomb to take out Japan's major industrial districts trying to end a WORLD WAR, not to kill civilians.
  If they wanted to do that, they would have dropped it on Toyko, and followed with every other major Japanese city. 



This is f*cking hilarious  :D

Are you saying that it isnt true?

I'm saying it's absurd!  By your logic Osama could say that 911 was meant as an attack on America's financial district,  not about killing civilians.

No, it would be the equivilent of Osama destroying Pittsburg.  Read a history book. Tool.

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« Reply #51 on: June 14, 2005, 08:09:03 PM »
Pittsburgh is spelled with an "h," first of all.

Second, Pittsburgh has 2.4 million people -- a few more than the world trade center...  Anyhow, I didn't understand your comment.

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Re: Guantanamo Detention Facility
« Reply #52 on: June 14, 2005, 08:11:27 PM »
Comparing terrorist acts to droping the atomic bomb on Japan is just wrong. 

The US dropped the bomb to take out Japan's major industrial districts trying to end a WORLD WAR, not to kill civilians.
  If they wanted to do that, they would have dropped it on Toyko, and followed with every other major Japanese city. 



This is f*cking hilarious  :D

Are you saying that it isnt true?

I'm saying it's absurd!  By your logic Osama could say that 911 was meant as an attack on America's financial district,  not about killing civilians.

No, it would be the equivilent of Osama destroying Pittsburg.  Read a history book. Tool.

Who said anything about equivalent?  Look up the word analogy in a dictionary.  Oh, while you're at it, brush up on your spelling.
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Re: Guantanamo Detention Facility
« Reply #53 on: June 14, 2005, 08:14:10 PM »
Exactly.  The point is that you can't seperate the two.  If you're aiming for something else and you know for a fact that you'll kill civilians, then you have to really consider whether it's worth the cost.  A

It's a cost-benefit analysis, exactly.  Seriously, could this be any clearer?
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« Reply #54 on: June 14, 2005, 08:15:05 PM »
OK fine.  I conceed to the spellcheck supporters of the world.

The US bombed Japan to kill all the japs.  cool.

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« Reply #55 on: June 14, 2005, 08:17:58 PM »
Pittsburgh is spelled with an "h," first of all.

Second, Pittsburgh has 2.4 million people -- a few more than the world trade center...  Anyhow, I didn't understand your comment.

I wasnt comparing the world trade center, I was comparing Hiroshima/Nagasaki to bombing an industrial powerhouse such as "Pittsburg"

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« Reply #56 on: June 14, 2005, 09:14:07 PM »
perhaps you have noble ideals sleepyguy but as a whole the liberals couldnt care less about those particular ideals, its all politics and a few votes for them. power toward socialism.

and you have a perfect right to dissent, i mean youre not being drafted to go and defend your country from people who send their kids to blow up those precious civilians with promises of 72 virgins, are you? others are doing that for you, and what i am getting at is that maybe youre just too much of a humanist, trying to take on all suffering in the world on your shoulders and blame the powers that be for it. you dont seem to realize that this IS black and white, us against them. and in spite of the possibility of the actual terrorists/insurgents etc being brainwashed and brought up in a state of hatred without any access whatsoever to western culture, some of them still want us dead and must be dead first for us to survive. we didnt try to talk to or make nice with kamikazes out of flying their planes into our ships; we shot those fvckers down.

make no mistake about it this is world war; as serious as the axis powers were. i perfectly understand that a farmer from iraq and an american farmer probably have a lot in common, and unless their whole culture and leadership changes not much will be accomplished as far as peace goes. and perhaps the war profits some and has been perpetrated against people not involved in the conflict on occasion, nevertheless, these events have been a long time in coming. it doesnt matter to me who is right or wrong. they want me dead, i shoot them first; simple game.

as far as the nuking of japan goes, it was pure revenge for pearl harbor and a live fire test so to speak. those 'civilians' who were not involved in the war effort got it because history will show that THERE ARE NO CIVILIANS in war. the enemy is the enemy and that's that. ESPECIALLY in this case where the enemy has no standing army; all can hide under the guise of being a civilian. my only lament is that there is way too much goddamn friendly fire and accidents on our side. the a-bomb was a good solution and incidentally saved a lot of americans. and to me, one american soldier is worth more than the whole of iraq and afghanistan combined and would be a pretty good solution today in my humble opinion. i mean US and Israel could turn all of palestine into a desert within 3 hours. doesnt that speak highly enough of our humanism that we dont? isnt it enough that we actually do take prisoners and don't behead them online? isnt it enough that people who hate this country because of the rage about their own worthless and wasted lives have a chance to voice that opinion and not be arrested and thrown into a dark pit such as should be done during war where martial law should be declared and an attack on our soil may occur any time? maybe we should house our prisoners at the hilton?
the fact that they are still alive is good enough for me...

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Re: Guantanamo Detention Facility
« Reply #57 on: June 14, 2005, 09:36:07 PM »
But you're not an evil person.  I believe in evil acts, but I don't believe in people who're pure evil

And with that comment, along w/ the WWII bombings argument SGY, you've lost all credibility. 

It's now painfully obvious you neither truly understand human nature nor world history.  I'd go into a lot more detail, but frankly I don't feel like wasting the words on you. 

And, forgive me, but I'm having a real difficult time figuring out how one can be a both a patriot and at the same time have the audacity to compare how we ended WWII to SAVE American and European lives to the terrorist acts committed by our friends in the Middle East.

And no, some things ARE black and white.  9/11 WAS wrong by any sane standard.  Taking the steps to end terrorism IS right, by any sane standard.  And you bending over backwards, and I'm tempted to say forwards, to defend terrorists captured on a battlefield frankly isn't patriotic. 

So I've not doubt after law school you'll be volunteering to defend some of those 'misguided' souls down there.  I'll look forward to your book and how morally outrageous it was for the U.S. to hold such noble souls in detention. 

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« Reply #58 on: June 14, 2005, 11:26:11 PM »
How on earth are you going to graduate from law school?  You have only the capacity for the most simplistic of arguments.  Good luck.  In any case, I'm done with this conversation. 

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Re: Guantanamo Detention Facility
« Reply #59 on: June 15, 2005, 03:36:54 AM »
Do you think they really spend their 5 daily prayer breaks praying or at least some of them jacking off on their complimentary prayer rugs?

wow.  that's just about the rudest thing i've ever read. such a fine example of sophisticated, educated, enlightened american.  makes me proud of my country.  shur does.


in terms of the discussion at hand here, america is in a tough position now.  if the prisoners in gitmo weren't terrorists before, they sure as hell are going to be if/when/if they're ever released. 

And then the next logical step is,  if they've released any people, isn't that admission that they didn't have the goods to really hold them in the first place?  I have to agree with sleepyguyyawn on this one.  He brings up a good point.

So as to their culpability, i'm fascinated by the ease with which many of you make the jump from suspected terrorist to guilty terrorist.

whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?  is that too basic of a concept here?  i guess my litmus test is, holy darn, what if I or someone I loved was mistakenly rounded up? can you imagine, so many years of your life just gone?  no avenue for redemption.  no way of contacting the people you care about.  is the human aspect of this lost on you?

 I might be wrong here, but weren't a good number of these "terrorists" captured because of money based rewards.  "turn your turban-headed friend in for cash?"  Shouldn’t we be concerned about the possibility (it seems proven fact now) that there is/was innocent people being held there? 

If you're not outraged by that proposition, then you aren't american in the true sense of the word.  you have little respect for the values that this country was built on.  If you insist on thinking in black and white, then this should make sense to you.