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LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN

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Re:LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2003, 10:29:00 AM »
How did you get your money back?  I took the october 4th exam and received a lower score than my diagnostic.  I requested a refund and they are denying it because I did not complete some assignments online.  I had a lot of problems with the online portion...like trying to save an quiz and it kicks me out or not having the time stamp work.  Like the other person, I spent a huge amount of time on the books, online and only missed one class, which I made up.  Kaplan does not want to honor this guarantee and is looking for any little thing.  I also do not think they made it clear that the online assignments were required for the guarantee.  They are shady but I am going to fight this.  The manager said they have all my online time documented on their system and I have requested a hard copy of all of this information in addition to all references to the high score guarantee and online requirements.  I would appreciate any advice or feedback regarding this.

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Re:LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2003, 02:04:53 PM »
I only did a few online assignments because I figured there was no way in hell I would score below my diagnostic. The online stuff was crashing left and right throughout the time I took the class so I don't think they had a clue whether I did them or not. The manager told me to send them my books to verify that I did the work and I sent them everything (books, LSAT score, scratch paper, etc) plus a letter.  They credited the money back to my parents credit card and my dad just gave me the money because he knew how pissed off I was with the entire process. Come here 3rd/4th tier!! Later.

Victor

Re:LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2004, 12:15:36 AM »
They are shady


My sentiments exactly, I purchased a ton of Kaplan's workbooks from 2003, Kaplan180, to 2 Real LSAT's. And there seems to always be a catch. The 2 Real LSAT's has 2 OUTDATED LSAT's from 1992, but in the book it doesnt say anything about that because they know they wont sell the book if it did. I call the Kaplan Specialist and I talked to him about purchasing real LSAT's seperately and I asked him whats the cut off date as to when an LSAT can be effective. He says from 1995 and up. Also on the Kaplan 2003 (probably the 2004 also) the CD that comes with it is trash, it wont prepare you for the LSAT's because its on computer which is not true LSAT conditions. And besides they made TONS of erros on the cd like mixing the Reasoning part with the Logic part.


I signed up to go with a Kaplan Course, now im thinking of backing out. Kaplan just doesnt have my trust right now.

Re: LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2004, 12:51:26 PM »
I too took Kaplan the first time around for LSAT prep and was rather unhappy with the results.  I scored 159 on my diag, and by the end of the course was scoring 167--a score I would have been perfectly happy with.  I scored 154 on the October 2002 test and was rather upset.

For this December's test, I took P. Review, and started out with a 158.  I worked that up to a 164, and scored 165 on the real thing.  I will say my teacher (Farb Nivi if anyone else has taken him) was exceptional and probably much better than average even for a P. Review teacher, and that helped a lot too. 

Princeton Review's methods are much more effective in my estimation.  Some of the simpler and more effective ones were not even mentioned at Kaplan, and like I said, they weren't exactly rocket science.  Also, Kaplan teaches a method for args that says the first 10 on a section are easiest (which is true), the next ten are more difficult (which is true), but that the last 5-6 are again easier (which is false).  They like to have you do 1-10, followed by 21-#X, and then 11-20.  That's fine, but why would you throw the hardest ones in the middle?  (It is undeniable that the sections get harder as you go along, as opposed to a breakup Kaplan claims).  That is just one flawed method Kaplan employs.

So, in short, Kaplan is not good and P. Review is.

Re: LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2004, 12:05:10 PM »
I agree.  Kaplan was not very effective for me.  And I put LOTS of time and effort into the course.  I got better results by just reviewing the Princeton Review book in my spare time.  The key is to take as many timed practice exams as you can.

Victor

Re: LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2004, 03:49:05 PM »
I agree.  Kaplan was not very effective for me.  And I put LOTS of time and effort into the course.  I got better results by just reviewing the Princeton Review book in my spare time.  The key is to take as many timed practice exams as you can.


Everyone is saying Princeton is the way to go but have you read the poor reviews of it on amazon.com ???

As I recall it recieved a 1.5/5 rating.


Re: LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2004, 04:54:14 PM »
I'm just finishing up Testmasters, which I think is great!  I started out with a 165 on my diagnostic and am now scoring 171 or 172 (I take the actual test this weekend). 

Another word of advice - the more points you want to raise your score, the longer you should give yourself on the prepping.  Once you learn the techniques, it can take a while to get your speed up.

Re: LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2004, 08:46:45 PM »
I took Kaplan and had a good experience, and the people in my class who didn't--the reasons why, in my opinion, being their fault--easily got to retake the course, no problems. I'm not defending Kaplan here because I think the experience you have depends on the Kaplan near you. I know a lot of people have been unsatisfied with Kaplan, and so I can't speak for what happened there.

But some of the posts have pointed more to the low scores coming from something other than Kaplan. For example, the person who said they were getting a 167 by the end of the course and then took the test and got a low score. Okay, what does that have to do with Kaplan? That was YOU. That was maybe the nerves of it being the real thing the first time around. That was maybe conditions in the room. Who knows--you can't blame Kaplan. You could maybe have a case there if your Kaplan practice tests kept going down or if the practice tests they gave were fake and not real LSATs from the past. But the last Kaplan test was higher than with what PR gave you. So why blame Kaplan?

The original poster--never says what they were scoring on their practice tests from Kaplan. He/she doesn't give enough information.

Re:LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2004, 04:56:03 PM »
Best way to practice for the LSAT is study hard, 'breath the LSAT' as some have put it, and take as many pre-administered LSATs.  Bottom line, STUDY STUDY STUDY!

   

Excellent point. If I remember correctly, Kaplan is one that doesn't use actual LSAT questions for their diagnostics; rather they used their own questions from their own writers. This could really explain the score difference.

Someone please correct me if I have Kaplan confused with another...

Karen W.

Re: LSAT TAKERS! DO NOT USE KAPLAN
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2004, 08:16:39 PM »
Kaplan used to use fake questions, but now all the prep courses use real ones.