no, i said you were talking out your ass. that is not a personal attack. talking out your ass means you are saying things that are without merit in context to the question at hand. i then went on to explain why your statements were without merit. thus, it was not a personal attack.
Quote from: GreenEqsnHam on June 02, 2004, 11:03:28 AMno, i said you were talking out your ass. that is not a personal attack. talking out your ass means you are saying things that are without merit in context to the question at hand. i then went on to explain why your statements were without merit. thus, it was not a personal attack.haha ya... i'll give you that. i was just messing around. but anyway, my only point in all this was that if you want a muscular workout with a cardio workout, you should do sprinting as well. and if you look at sprinters, they have the leanest bodies out there and also have the lean 'cut' look that many avid body builders don't have. but i think you are off base in suggesting that cardio routines should not be included in a workout regimen to strictly gain muscle. including cardio (especially before a long reigmen of weight lifting) will not only burn fat that is over the muscles (to give the 'cut' look), it will also increase your heart rate and help in the heavy lifting that is to come. my personal experience is that with proper nutrition, i am able to get more out of my workouts (less fatigue, more gains) by including cardio in order to stretch and get my muscles 'hyped' (for lack of a better term) before i start working out. key to all this is to get as much protein i can and eating carbs before i work out to get the energy to be able to push out the last sets.but your right, to each their own - what works for me might not be universal.
I stand by what I previously said that thechoson should read up on the topic himself to get the most accurate response.I would also refrain from calling people on this board "ill-informed" when it comes to weight training, and claiming all advice that has been given is "bad" with the exception of yours. There is no one solid answer as to how an individual should most effectively gain muscle mass with cardio in mind. Why? Because every BODY is different, and despite what has been said, you can't just group someone who claims they're lean with all other people who have a fast metabolism. Therefore, like I said, I would advise him to read up on the subject, try a routine and see how it works best with HIS body type, and stick with that. We have all given our OPINION (because face it, that's all it is), and so he can pick and choose from what he wants to try. Although we all work out, none of us are trained, licensed professionals on the subject, so stay off the high horse and stop acting like you're such an expert and everyone else doesn't know *&^%.
you are ill-informed. Quote from: NYBound05 on June 02, 2004, 02:20:02 PMI stand by what I previously said that thechoson should read up on the topic himself to get the most accurate response.I would also refrain from calling people on this board "ill-informed" when it comes to weight training, and claiming all advice that has been given is "bad" with the exception of yours. There is no one solid answer as to how an individual should most effectively gain muscle mass with cardio in mind. Why? Because every BODY is different, and despite what has been said, you can't just group someone who claims they're lean with all other people who have a fast metabolism. Therefore, like I said, I would advise him to read up on the subject, try a routine and see how it works best with HIS body type, and stick with that. We have all given our OPINION (because face it, that's all it is), and so he can pick and choose from what he wants to try. Although we all work out, none of us are trained, licensed professionals on the subject, so stay off the high horse and stop acting like you're such an expert and everyone else doesn't know *&^%.
i understand your point. i am just saying that there are people out there (the very skinny types) who will have a very very difficult time adding muscle mass. if you read the OPs first few responses you will see that he seems to fall into that category. for those people (who do not represent the typical individual) it would be best to avoid cardio until they gain the muscle mass they are seeking.for most people, cardio will not greatly detract from adding muscle mass.
I've stayed out of this convo long enough. I can safely say that I am probably the most obsessed DRUG-FREE weight-lifter you'll ever meet. I've been working out obsessively since the age of 18 and now I'm almost 24.
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