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Re: College Football
« Reply #560 on: October 02, 2005, 06:15:19 PM »
your presumption of worthy opponents rests on the theory that the rankings are valid.  Is Florida really #5 or #14?  Two days ago they were in the running for the national championship, until they got spanked.  The only reason teams in the PAC-10 are not in the running this year is because everyone they have to overcome the stigma that is attached to the PAC-10.  It is a self fulfilling prophecy.  The teams in the SEC are in the running because they are in the SEC.


USC's opponents have nothing to lose and everything to win; you cant say that about the opponents in the SEC because they are fighting for something too.

PLUS, none of the teams in teh SEC have the pressure that goes with winning a national championship 2 years in a row, let alone 3 years in a row.

i agree that there must be an immense amount of pressure for usc to get a third championship, however, counsel, that is a purely subjective point and has nothing to do with the objective measure of usc's relative strength of schedule.  everything or nothing to lose has no bearing on the strength of schedule.  either you play a good team or you don't. period.  these outside considerations do not change the strength of schedule considerations. 

besides, who's to say which situation is most laden with pressure: the pressure to take (not win, because they did not win it the first time) a third championship or the pressure to rebuild the greatest football program ever (alabama)?
I believe that the pressure to win a third national championship in as many years is much greater than the pressure to rebuild a football program AND it is intrinsic in the strength of a schedule because it gives the opponent a boost.

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Re: College Football
« Reply #561 on: October 05, 2005, 08:21:03 PM »
The SEC is the best conference in all of College football!  4 SEC teams were ranked in the preseason Top 10 in the AP poll.

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Re: College Football
« Reply #562 on: October 05, 2005, 08:23:56 PM »
your presumption of worthy opponents rests on the theory that the rankings are valid.  Is Florida really #5 or #14?  Two days ago they were in the running for the national championship, until they got spanked.  The only reason teams in the PAC-10 are not in the running this year is because everyone they have to overcome the stigma that is attached to the PAC-10.  It is a self fulfilling prophecy.  The teams in the SEC are in the running because they are in the SEC.


USC's opponents have nothing to lose and everything to win; you cant say that about the opponents in the SEC because they are fighting for something too.

PLUS, none of the teams in teh SEC have the pressure that goes with winning a national championship 2 years in a row, let alone 3 years in a row.

i agree that there must be an immense amount of pressure for usc to get a third championship, however, counsel, that is a purely subjective point and has nothing to do with the objective measure of usc's relative strength of schedule.  everything or nothing to lose has no bearing on the strength of schedule.  either you play a good team or you don't. period.  these outside considerations do not change the strength of schedule considerations. 

besides, who's to say which situation is most laden with pressure: the pressure to take (not win, because they did not win it the first time) a third championship or the pressure to rebuild the greatest football program ever (alabama)?
I believe that the pressure to win a third national championship in as many years is much greater than the pressure to rebuild a football program AND it is intrinsic in the strength of a schedule because it gives the opponent a boost.

It might be intrinsic in the strength of schedule, but the question then becomes: How much does that intrinsicality make up for the WEAKNESS of USC's schedule?

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Re: College Football
« Reply #563 on: October 05, 2005, 08:24:38 PM »
p.s. I have no clue if "intrinsicality" is a word, but it sounded good to me at this point.  :D

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Re: College Football
« Reply #564 on: October 05, 2005, 10:26:34 PM »
when one of the top teams from the SEC played one of the top teams from the Pac 10 this year the SEC won... at the Pac 10 teams home

So the #1 (at the time) SEC team beat the #2 (3?) Pac-10 team. This proves what ???

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Re: College Football
« Reply #565 on: October 05, 2005, 11:52:39 PM »
The SEC is the best conference in all of College football!  4 SEC teams were ranked in the preseason Top 10 in the AP poll.
That is a curcular argument. 

you need to study more. See the LRB for help.

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Re: College Football
« Reply #566 on: October 06, 2005, 04:06:25 AM »
when one of the top teams from the SEC played one of the top teams from the Pac 10 this year the SEC won... at the Pac 10 teams home

So the #1 (at the time) SEC team beat the #2 (3?) Pac-10 team. This proves what ???

just because they were the top ranked SEC team at the time does not make them the best SEC team.  LSU is somewhere from 2-4 in thr SEC.  ASU is probably the same, 2-4 in the Pac10.  If the SEC is overrated, the similarly ranked Pac10 team should have taken care of the overrated SEC team playing the game in Pac10 country. 

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Re: College Football
« Reply #567 on: October 06, 2005, 07:11:18 AM »
3peat,

USC and the PAC-10 are a joke!

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Re: College Football
« Reply #568 on: October 06, 2005, 07:47:05 AM »
The SEC has the most talented players, but some of the worst coaches.  Would you want Phil Fulmer, Houston Nutt or Les Miles coaching your team in a big game?  And the bottom half of the SEC is just as bad as the bottom half of any other conference.  Mississippi State, Ole Miss and Kentucky are bad teams.

The SEC always has guys going high in the NFL draft.  But look at coaches who have come from the NFL like Pete Carroll, Charlie Weis and Al Groh.  Where were USC, Notre Dame and Virginia respectively before these guys took over.  It is not a coincidence that LSU is not as good without Nick Saban, a former NFL assistant coach.  Talent matters but coaching matters more because somebody has to recruit the players and coach them up.

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Re: College Football
« Reply #569 on: October 06, 2005, 09:15:04 AM »
bg,

"LSU is not as good without Nick Saban"??  Perhaps your prediction may turn out to be correct, however don't sellout Les Miles after only 1 loss. ---Clearly you are being presumptuous 

Also your assesment of Fat Phil was entertaining, however it was completely off (keep in mind that UT won the National Championship back in 1998 over a very good Florida State team).