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Legitimate Cooley question

Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2005, 05:00:28 PM »
Just to note -- you may want to wait until you're done with school full-time before retaking the LSAT.  If you can get a 151 distracted, you can probably do even better with more prep.

I would say it doesn't sound like a bad deal:  IF you are happy staying in Whirlpool, and trying to work your way up with the J.D..

However, it IS pretty much impossible to get a job with a top firm from Cooley, even though smaller/midsize firms might be within reach.  And you'll probably need to do pretty well to get those other jobs.

So think more about what you really want, then decide.  And keep in mind that Cooley does apparently try to whittle down their first year classes, at least in the regular sections.

Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2005, 11:06:13 PM »
honestly this doesnt seem like its worth it for you. you've got a good job, and you're about to get your undergraduate degree AND the JD doesnt get you a job in the in-house counsel. Whirlpool is a fairly big company, so when they retain outside counsel it's probably a large firm. A cooley JD realistically gives you no shot at work in firms like this. and a JD isn't helpful if you are simply trying to work your way up through non-legal jobs. People see that degree and they think that you are too much of a specialist for management or that you couldn't get a job as a lawyer.

It doesn't sound like your goal is to be a lawyer no matter what, and that's pretty much the only good reason I can think of to go to cooley.

Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2005, 06:29:51 AM »
Sorry  - I must not have made myself clear. I realize that there is almost zero chance of me getting a position as counsel here at Whirlpool. My point is that this is a huge company doing business all over the globe - the fact that they are farming out their work to other firms might open doors for me at one of those firms. Firms that I might not normally get looked at if I were coming straight from Cooley without any other credentials.

I am banking on being able to network with those firms through contacts that I am able to make here at Whirlpool. Whirlpool headquarters is located in a small community < 12,000 people. Meaning, the executive leadership here at the company are same people that you run into at your kids soccer practice, church, or local restaurants.

In any event, I am going to retake the LSAT in June just to see if I can bump my score up. I will have about 5 weeks to prep - even if I do get my score up, it's unlikely that I would benefit from it during this admissions year. Who knows, if I am able to pull off a miracle and get a considerable bump then it might be worth my while to put off law school for a year. In the interim - Valpo has a 1 year MBA program that I could do in the evenings, again, on Whirlpool's dime.


Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2005, 12:06:04 PM »
Some advice?

Don't try to "bump" up your score.
Don't assume you are grounded by any score whatsoever.
Don't take the LSAT with the "hope" of improving.  Take it TO improve.
Your time is worth more than that.  Go and fukcing DESTROY the exam!


Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2005, 12:27:31 PM »

a Cooley JD will make your 3.9 GPA look like a 1.2.  Anyone taking a serious look at your law school credentials will automatically assume the GPA is inflated (easy classes) and your score on the LSAT was an almost alive status.

So you got a 151.. who cares... study this lsat female dog like your life depends on it.  If you can get the LSAT up to at least a 160, you can still get scholarship money at other TTT schools..

Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2005, 02:00:07 PM »
I would think grade inflation too given the huge disparity between the 2 and I imagine that would explain the dings that I am getting even when my index numbers are in the 75% of many of the schools that I have applied to.

Grade inflation is certainly not the case - but I am a realist and I know what my assumptions would be if I were an ad comm looking at the numbers. I dropped another $115 this morning to register for the June 6 LSAT - I am going to spend the next few weeks doing serious prep and then I am going to go in and spank the test.


Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2005, 02:09:16 PM »
Completely off topic, but I want to give Whirlpool some big ups.

My company this week donated some of our executives time (mine included) to work on a Habitat for Humanity house in Pittsburgh.  We (16 of us) put in doors/windows and sided an entire house in 2 days.  It was part of a leadership training program, but more importantly it was food for the soul.

Whirlpool donates a washer and dishwasher to every house Habitat builds.  That is a company that gives a sh*t about something other than money and I wanted to give them some pub.

I will only buy whirlpool appliances from now on.



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Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2005, 02:18:22 PM »
As others have suggested just take the LSAT over again when you are done with your UG. Unless you are in your late 30's and married with kids, who cares about whirlpool? If you even get a 160 on your LSAT with that GPA you can get into tier 2/upper tier 1 schools.

Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2005, 03:03:32 PM »
I would just like to note that a 151 is not a bad LSAT score at all -- in fact, it is *perfectly* average.  Half the students taking the exam score below a 151. 

However, this does indicate that you have decent aptitude for the test, and can probably do even better. 

In the end, a Cooley degree may not be so bad, given that it will essentially be free, and not all programs will fit into your work schedule like this.  However, if you can attend a better program for free as well, that would be even better.  (If you're in SE Michigan, other programs will also probably be more convenient in terms of commute.)  If nothing else, a higher score will get you more aid money from Cooley -- and maybe you could arrange it such that it's a stipend rather than a tution waiver, since your work is willing to cover 10K in tuition anyway.

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Re: Legitimate Cooley question
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2005, 10:52:59 AM »
I don't understand. Are you looking to stay in the Michigan area? Or are you looking for a school that will provide you with a scholarship? You are acting like your numbers suck. Your 3.9 puts you above most 75th percentiles. And your 151 will get you into many tier four schools and you are a realistic reach for a few tier 3 schools (this is all based on someone who puts together a strong application). So, I don't think Cooley is your best option. Have you explored all of your options?

There has to be some explanation for those dings. Did you apply late? Did you put together a sloppy application?  Maybe you should call up a few of the schools that rejected you in order to discover their interpretation of your application.

My opinion on Cooley is based on their attrition rates. They lose 163 students in their first year for academic purposes. If this does not constitute a harsh grading curve, then I don't know what does. Their cumulative attrition is at an abhorrent 27 percent(337 students). The average for all schools is 13 percent. Just based on these academic reasons, I don't think that this school would be our best option. If it is your only option, then maybe you should take the risk.